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  • RunUnlimited
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    Eff u for getting my hopes up there for a second CAML. lol

  • CAML
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    Some much needed positive javelin news from the Tucson meet. 60 year old Roald Bradstock threw 59.78m. If we can just get Backley out again, who remember is just a mere pup at 53, then the future of the event doesn't look quite so bleak.

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Talking of the hammer, though on the men's side of things, out in Tucson, Arizona, Nick Miller went to the top of the UK rankings this year with a 75.61m effort, while Joe Ellis improved his PB for second time this season, with a 74.52m heave.

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  • Occasional Hope
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    Three of our top six hammer women (Anna Purchase, Tara SS and Amy Phillips) are in next week's NCAA West Regional competition (and rank in the top seven athletes there). Could be a bit of a competition within a competition/preview of UK champs.

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  • MysteryBrick
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    It's common to bemoan the state of British throws, but after the news of Divine Oladipo's 17.97m PB today, I was looking at the all-time lists, and I think comparing the best of British to the best of British historically is what is most important here, not the world.

    Women
    Shot - with Sophie McKinna, Amelia Strickler and Divine Oladipo we have 5th, 6th and 7th on the British all-time list with PBs within the last 12 months, and Adele Nicol in 12th behind them. I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that McKinna throws 19m this year, and 19.07m would put her 2nd. Women's Shot is as good as it has been in the last 30 years since the late 80s when Judy Oakes and Myrtle Augee were both around 19m.

    Discus - Jade Lally is still going, throwing 61.78m this year, and Kirsty Law became the 7th British woman over 60m last summer at the age of 34. There's not a huge amount behind them. But the reality is, Britain has had 3 World Class discus throwers in history (Meg Ritchie, Lally (an edge case at best) and Venissa Head. It's not a great story but it never has been.

    Hammer - undoubtedly the strongest it has ever been. Of the UK top 10, 6 threw their PBs in the last year, and most of them are under 25.

    Javelin - an absolute disaster, but then it has been since Goldie. One I really don't understand.

    So on the women's side, I think you can reasonably argue that 1 event is best it has ever been, 1 is on par with the best and 1 is close to par. If awarding scores out of 10 I'd go 10 for Hammer, 8 for Shot, 5 for Discus and 1 for Javelin. So 24/40, or 60%.

    Men
    Shot - Scott Lincoln is now 3rd on the All-Time list, and all credit to him. There is very much nothing behind him...

    Discus - say what you like about Lawrence Okoye, and people do, but he is the best discus thrower Britain has ever produced, and behind him Nicholas Percy has just thrown a Scottish record and is within touching distance of the top 10.

    Hammer - Nick Miller and Taylor Campbell are 1st and 2nd on the British lists, 2 more of the top 7 are active and this year Britain has 6 men in the World top 100 this year even with Campbell Sr injured. The top is there and the depth is there.

    Javelin - again, a disaster (although less of a disaster thus far this year than in other recent years), although I always think people have myopia here. We were never a strong javelin nation, we just had Backley and Hill for a few years.

    So again, I'd say 1 event is the best it has ever been, 1 is on par with the best, 1 has a single very good athlete and 1 is a basket case. Awarding scores, I'd go 10 for Hammer, 7 for Discus, 4 for Shot and 2 for Javelin. So 23/40, or 57.5%.

    This is clearly a emotional topic for some people, especially around the javelin, but looking dispassionately shows a complex and not dire but not perfect picture.
    Last edited by MysteryBrick; 14-05-22, 14:41.

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  • Occasional Hope
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    So that's six British women over 67 this year.

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Originally posted by CAML View Post
    The race to beat Hitchon's BR is on. What a story it would be if the youngest of the potential candidates Charlotte Payne, was to break it. She is profoundly deaf, but chooses not to participate in deaf sport, she is able to compete in the deaf classification if she wishes. She was diagnosed at 3 with hearing loss and her parents told she would be unable to balance properly. Fast forward to 2021, she's second on the Junior all time list and team captain at the Euro U/20's, giving speeches to the GB team. What a remarkable young lady.
    And Payne then goes ahead and improves her PB out 67.68m today and moves the 20 year old into the UK all time top 10, edging 2004 Olympian Shirley Webb out.

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  • carterhatch
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    Thank you for that remarkable insight, CAML ... I hope her trajectory continues upwards & onwards. It certainly adds another positive dimension to an event that grows in interest and must warrant some further media attention.

  • CAML
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    The race to beat Hitchon's BR is on. What a story it would be if the youngest of the potential candidates Charlotte Payne, was to break it. She is profoundly deaf, but chooses not to participate in deaf sport, she is able to compete in the deaf classification if she wishes. She was diagnosed at 3 with hearing loss and her parents told she would be unable to balance properly. Fast forward to 2021, she's second on the Junior all time list and team captain at the Euro U/20's, giving speeches to the GB team. What a remarkable young lady.

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Continuing on with the theme of women's hammer throwing in the UK....

    Looking at the UK all time top 20, 10 of those performances have happened in the last 2 years alone, with 4 of the top 5 now over 69m (and one of them over 70m). And on top of that is the ages of the ladies now stacking up in the hammer: 70m Anne Purchase turns 23 in September, Tara Simpson-Sullivan is just 21(!), Katie Head is 23 in December, Amy Phillips is 24 in a fortnight's time, Jessica Mayho is the "veteran" at 28, and Charlotte D. Payne is only 20 and has already breached 66 meters. (There is also Amber Simpson who turned 23 in January and has also set a 65m PB in the last few days.)

    That's 6 women there under the age of 25 who all improving and are all pushing each other to further and better distances.

    Of course this must be tempered by the fact that USA's Brooke Andersen went to number 4 on the world all time list last week with her 79.02m and that Sophie Hitchon still remains the only British entrant in the world all time top 100 performers (74.54m, 45th).... but having such a clutch of youthful hammer throwers already challenging the 70m barrier, the future is looking likely that at least one of them will soon be joining Hitchon on that esteemed ranking list.

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  • carterhatch
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    i never thought I would hear myself say this but ... how exciting is British female hammer right now and its not even mid May!

    The overnight news that a throw by Tara Simpson-Sullivan places her 5th in the UK all time list makes it 4 ladies currently competing in that select list [a variation on a MysteryBrick metric that suggets an event is in a healthy place]

    i have said before, but happy to repeat, that I put this emergence entriely down to the inspiration of Sophie Hitchon [if she had thrown the discus or javelin instead, with similar career results, we would have seen a surge in those implements, of that I have no doubt] BUT...

    While I am trying to teach myself to be 'half full', it has to be noted that none of these ladies have achieved the standard for Europeans, let alone Worlds [yet].

    However, I urge broadcasters to have a camera focused on this event at the nationals, as if they all turn up with their 'A-game' it is going to be a very competitive afternoon, worthy of more than just brief edited hightlights...



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  • MysteryBrick
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    Call me Nostradamus: 68.72m opener for Amy Phillips this weekend.

  • RunUnlimited
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    Having a base of relatively young shot putters behind McKinna (who herself is just entering her prime at 27/28), like Nicol (25/26), Strickler (25/26) and Oladipo (23/24) throwing regularly over 17 meters is more likely than not to see at least one of them pushing into the 18 meter bracket, which will further push McKinna to strive to stay on top and go further herself.
    Plus with the likes of Serena Vincent, just 21 and already throwing over 16 meters, coming through, then the future is looking pretty good for women's shot put.

  • Occasional Hope
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    It was nice to see big fields in all the field events.

  • Ursus
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    It’s been very pleasing to watch both McKinna and Lincoln’s progress over the years. Not been a smooth ride for either but both right at their best in what should be their peak years. Hopefully this year will see more over 21 from Lincoln and some 19s from McKinna (NR is 19.36).

    Pleasing, if not earth shattering, early season results on the runway from Walton and Harris. Walton isn’t the biggest but seems to have a decent technique, hopefully she can add to her 55. Harris was what we’ve seen all too often - 75.71 PB at age 20 in 2017 then stalled improvement. Still, being within half a metre or so of his PB in February ought to be a portent of better things to come. We can but hope.

    Will this season see more of the lesser spotted Whiteaker? Will Harry Hughes be fit?
    Last edited by Ursus; 01-03-22, 13:36.

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