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  • #61
    it certainly looks like Dustin will have plenty of opportunities to show his worth next year in WC and CG, 2023 WC and Paris 2024

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    • #62
      Ben Pattison the 11th Brit under 1:46 this year, well overdue as he is a classy runner. The GB U23 squad is loaded for Tampere.

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      • #63
        As I said on this particular thread a couple of months ago.... The Athing Mu/Keely Hodgkingson match up is very much *on* after Keely's mature and excellently run victory today!

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      • #64
        Originally posted by MysteryBrick View Post
        Ben Pattison the 11th Brit under 1:46 this year, well overdue as he is a classy runner. The GB U23 squad is loaded for Tampere.
        Could.... could GB go 1 - 2 - 3 in the Euro U23s too?... And (if Burgin recovers fitness in time) with the guy who was supposed to lead that clean sweep at the Euro U20s in 2019?

        Actually, Burgin is *still* eligible for the Euro U20s! Let him have a shot at winning the title he missed out on UKA!
        Last edited by RunUnlimited; 28-06-21, 07:41.

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        • #65
          Originally posted by MysteryBrick View Post
          It's official - with Joshua Lay running 1:45.99 today it is the first year GB have ever had 10 men under 1:46 - previous best ever was 1:46.08 for 10th in 2019 (which was Spencer Thomas, who ended up winning the UK Champs that year!) and before that 1:46.13 back in 1988. And given 11th-18th have all run under 1:47 and two of them have previously run 1:44 (Langford and Learmonth), I would be it will end up being more than 10...
          I am surprised that Mysterybrick hasn't updated the forum with a suitable metric for the rise and rise of 800m ... so quoted him from the10th June as it's now13 men who have run under 1:46 (6 under the benchmark of 1:45).

          I know it has been mentioned already but Keeley Hodgkinson is now 3rd on the UK all time list, Just think about that, a season ago/pre pandemic, perhaps only the likes of RunUnlimited were singing her praises having achieved a junior milestone of some kind... Third all time, ahead of many names that spent lengthy careers trying to go beyond 1:58/59 but couldn't, a remarkable feat by this young Brit. I look forward to watching her continued journey, injury and illness free one hopes, and some metal ware along the way....

          Now off to watch another young Brit hopefully contiue her rise, Emma Raducanu..... a tennis specific forum for those interested ...
          https://britishtennis.activeboard.co...rt=oldestFirst
          Last edited by carterhatch; 05-07-21, 19:16.

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          • #66
            Further on what carterhatch had to say above.

            Keely Hodginkson's run yesterday isn't just the 3rd fastest time *ever* by a Brit, regardless of age.... and not only is it the 2nd fastest time outdoors by a European junior of all time.... it is the 7th fastest time ever by a junior in the world U20 all time list!

            Outside of Athing Mu doing her thing, the last time any junior athlete had run quicker was Francine Niyonsaba 9 years ago (1:56.59).

            That's the calibre of run we saw yesterday evening in Stockholm from Keely.

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          • #67
            As Ian Hodge tweeted about that extraordinary women's 800 in Monaco 'was the first time in thirteen years when two women from the same country have run below 1:57 for 800m in the same race.' sometimes it is easy to be quite blase about the athletics talent we have ... UK Women's 800 has never had this depth before.

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            • #68
              After Alex Bell's PB this evening, it's fairly mad that the 3rd GB W800m runner at the Olympics has run 1:58.3 this season! Without a doubt the fastest trio GB have ever sent to a major.

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              • carterhatch
                carterhatch commented
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                Point well made, If Ms. Bell can run a PB of that magnitude on a Tuesday night in Trafford, then what time might she run, eye-balls out, a different quality of competition around her, a place in the final at Tokyo at stake, I think she will be all in at the semis and 1.57 might mean she qualifies, and that would be a success.

                Burgin injured, Dustin, previous meet no show, precaution? who knows, Rowden, last minute no show, precaution? who knows... There is an uncomfortable theme arising from these young talented 800 runners ... Yes, yes, yes, saving themselves for Tokyo I hear you say, well, if they turn-up with 'niggles' or unprepared to survive rounds, then they are not going to do themselves justice.
                Last edited by carterhatch; 14-07-21, 11:47.

              • SprintRelayFan
                SprintRelayFan commented
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                Well I guess we now know why Dustin isn't running at least

              • Occasional Hope
                Occasional Hope commented
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                Falling like flies. Do we have any reserves or is it too late?

            • #69
              Here's a lovely flag-waver thought:

              Reekie to take the NR off The Hodge some time in the next 12 months.
              Followed by a period of NR tennis between them, and possibly Muir. In the spirit of Coe and Ovett... perhaps culminating in... well we all know how Coe-Ovett worked out.

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              • #70
                Originally posted by MysteryBrick View Post
                After Alex Bell's PB this evening, it's fairly mad that the 3rd GB W800m runner at the Olympics has run 1:58.3 this season! Without a doubt the fastest trio GB have ever sent to a major.
                And they came 2nd, 4th and 7th...!

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                • MysteryBrick
                  MysteryBrick commented
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                  Can't have it all... but yes, one in the final would have been nice.

                • SprintRelayFan
                  SprintRelayFan commented
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                  When you look through this thread it's quite sobering - all these paeons of praise for Rowden and Dustin. We will have to hope Rowden stays fit next year and gets a decent slog of training in. As for burgin I wonder if his body just isn't built for it....

                • Occasional Hope
                  Occasional Hope commented
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                  Or over training?

              • #71
                Originally posted by paul View Post
                Here's a lovely flag-waver thought:

                Reekie to take the NR off The Hodge some time in the next 12 months.
                Followed by a period of NR tennis between them, and possibly Muir. In the spirit of Coe and Ovett... perhaps culminating in... well we all know how Coe-Ovett worked out.
                I’m looking forward to this head-to-head developing over the next few years. Currently 2-2 according to power of 10. The rivalry between Mu and Hodgkinson should be a good one top

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                • #72
                  I mean, Rowden just finished 10th at the Olympics. It's not a complete car crash, but a lot worse than it should have been...

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                  • Laps
                    Laps commented
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                    I had Rowden down for 10th. He ran his second fastest time. Athletics Weekly did not have him in their first 8. I don’t know where the idea that he should have done better comes from. Wishful thinking.

                • #73
                  I also wonder how much Dustin was negatively affected in the build up. He had to pull out of a couple of races before the lab admitted the cross contamination. Add in the stress and fall out from the irresponsible Times article it was far from ideal.

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                  • Occasional Hope
                    Occasional Hope commented
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                    He's also still very young and I can forgive tactical deficiencies at that age. They can't all be as tactically aware (as well as fast) as Keely!

                    I'm more disappointed for than by Dustin.

                • #74
                  I think it would have taken a huge toll, and that was before The Times decided to run the story on the word of a competitor’s coach (allegedly!) without a thought for the damage to him. If he’d made that final, (shoulda, woulda, coulda) his turn of pace would have been deadly and set him up for a lucrative few races. Now, he’s set up for people doubting his innocence and comparing him to SCR, with the white privilege tag…so sad for him.

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                  • #75
                    On Burgin - it might be the case that his dad has taken him so far and done an amazing job - but he may need to move to improve. Not everyone can take a kid to world class and then push them further still. Fine balance between that and the sense of poaching, but I think we have a few athletes (across disciplines) that might benefit from moving on…but it’s a big move, that doesn’t always pay off…

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                    • Occasional Hope
                      Occasional Hope commented
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                      He's missed out on two lots of age group championships through injury, and was injured last year as well. Something is not right.

                    • SprintRelayFan
                      SprintRelayFan commented
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                      Yes, as OH says he seems to get excessively injured. It’s one thing to be a bit injury prone - as bless her Dina is, but MB seems to be missing 3/4 of every season.
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