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  • larkim
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    Intriguing stuff! Matt is a fairly dominating figure on the I Was Or Am A Runner facebook group, and whilst here there is a lot of tolerance for the likes of Lough, Radcliffe, Coe etc, that group is fairly bitter about some of them - stoked to a degree by Matt, but not exclusively so. I must admit i took that sort of attitude to be the “real” grassroots opinions about those high profile individuals, but this post adds a different complexion to that.

  • Runner88
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    We would have all said the same about Langford before London 2017 and then he finished 4th and probably should be the bronze medalist after the Kenyan ahead of him doped...

    The 800m can be really unpredictable, I think they are all in with a shout of making the final, it all depends how the hearts and semis play out.

    Regarding the 800m race at the trials I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Such a non entity like McCarthy shouldn't really have any bearing on the medals and selection to Doha so it's a shame he has become such a factor. That being said, such a pace he set could and should be expected at any race for the quality and calibre of the likes of Webb, Langford, Giles etc.
    On the day I don't think our best 800m runners got in the top 2, but I would have been more than ok with it if they had hit the standard and got the places to Doha. Looks like that is not going to happen now so we will have to wait and see what the selectors do...

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  • sidelined
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    Jjimbojames, thanks for the info. I obviously wasn't looking at the right bit of Twitter...

    Ladyloz, you're right, it was Giles whom Yates used to coach.

    What I don't understand about the thing with the pacemaker is that surely Langford should have been able to cope with that pace anyway?

    Even if Webb, Giles and Langford all go to Doha I can't see any of them making a real impact.

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  • jjimbojames
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    Steve Cram said it in the BBC Forum, post the Champs

  • treadwater1
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    Langford was extremely fortunate not to be disqualified from his heat at the British championships, there is a clip doing the rounds, but it was a blatant push on McCarthy. Cram and Paula Radcliffe must know this. They were being slightly disingenuous with their talk last weekend of an athlete being reinstated at the behest of Yates, the decision would have been made by the race officials, who were very generous in letting Langford run. That said the way the whole thing has played out in the media is unsavoury, the piece in the telegraph today was written by the Daily Mail hack Lawton and timed to have maximum effect on the selectors meeting today. Langford has done himself no favours but remains a huge talent

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  • jjimbojames
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    OK - so....Kyle is coached by Jon Bigg (husband of Sally Gunnell) and managed by Gary Lough (husband of Paula Radcliffe) - so you can think they are either pushing their husband’s respective agendas or have the inside scoop (or both!). Apparently, Matt Yates wanted to coach Kyle Langford but he turned him down for Bigg and since then Yates has apparently been behind some of the reinforcing of Langford’s poor choices - eg despite the official admitting he had grabbed Kyle twice before Kyle responded, and that the matter was closed, it was Matt Yates behind the scenes pushing it to the press. At the British Champs, it was Matt Yates’ athlete who got carried into the final flaming obstruction, and trying to get Kyle DQd along the way. James McCarthy then acted as a virtual pacemaker for Jamie Webb, to take the kick out of Kyle and Kyle then had a go at McCarthy and it’s now hit the press. The Times report is suggesting it shows continued poor conduct and that will cost Kyle his place at Doha. Many MD athletes believe Yates has a vendetta towards Kyle for choosing Bigg over him and have tweeted support, most notably Butchart, who has gone in quite hard! (Bigg also coaches Grice, Giles, Oskan-Clarke, so a good group. Not sure who else of note Yates has).

    All of the above gleaned from Twitter/hearsay, I hastened to add

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  • drobbie
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    where did i read thasyt it was webbs team causing trouble? was it on here?

  • Ladyloz
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    I thought it was Elliot Giles whom he coached

  • sidelined
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    Late to this: what does the Times article say? (I'm not crossing the paywall.) How is Webb involved - apart form the bizarre pacemaking in that final? Wasn't Langford coached by Yates before he joined John Bigg's group?

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  • larkim
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    Interesting, he's an active member of a Facebook group I read a lot. He doesn't like my middle of the road opinions, but I can live with that.

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  • Christy93
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    Yates does not come out of this looking well. Pretty much every high profile British MD athlete has either tweeted or liked a tweet which rips his character to shreds. Even Sally Gunnell in agreement. Don't know much of the guy in person myself, but seems to be near univeral agreement that he is a nasty bully. Hopefully this doesnt hit Doha preparations.

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  • Runner88
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    Anybody who has a subscription to the Times could shed more light on what was being said here?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...doha-c2drhm73p

    Jamie Webb might not be a very popular man on the team once they all get to Doha? Would be said if behind the scenes squabbling upset people's preparations and performance in Doha.

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  • drobbie
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    what actually went on in that race

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  • drobbie
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    butchart has gone even further https://twitter.com/andybutchart91/s...88575199064065

  • Christy93
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    Originally posted by camerajuan View Post
    Whats the chat from Matt Yates RE: Langford which is riling up the MD lot today? I can't find it!
    A lot of people seem to feel Yates is pulling strings trying to ruin Langford for not wanting to join his training group... Didnt think I'd ever see Radcliffe using language like "vindictive has been" 👀
    Last edited by Christy93; 02-09-19, 14:27.

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