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  • #46
    Originally posted by MBChristie View Post
    Will he get off on that shopping trip one? The Testers put the wrong address on the form.
    I inferred from what Coleman said to Flotrack that it might have just been a spelling mistake or something other than the flat / house number that was wrong. If the form said they had called on the wrong number or a different apartment building then his case would have been based upon that: "They were at the wrong place!!". However, since this is a secondary part of his "defence", behind his complaint that they didn't phone him, I'm guessing it was a minor typo.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by RunUnlimited View Post

      I know that this comment was from a few months ago, but with what has come to light regarding Christian Coleman missing a test *again*, I feel that this message is very on point. But let's be honest here, the US atheltic authorities have had a *long* history of being "a bit feeble" when chasing suspected drugs cheats from their own shores... *coughcoughcarllewis1988coughcough*.
      I think the most concerning aspect regarding USADA is the allegation that their testers routinely call people if they cannot locate them. Now that would be standard and essential practice for tests outside an athlete's testing hour but if, as Coleman claims, they 'always' call during the testing hour if you do not answer the door, then it seems US athletes are being systematically given assistance other nations athletes don't get. You could also view that of course as prior notice of a test. Are there fast acting masking agents out there that are effective within an hour, I wonder?

      The hypocrisy of USADA is nothing compared to the hypocrisy of their fans and journalists, though. I can't believe how sympathetic Letsrun and Flotrack were. Nothing wrong with being sympathetic of course .. .. . . .but that's not a trait they show to other nations' athletes who break the rules.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Sovietvest View Post

        I think the most concerning aspect regarding USADA is the allegation that their testers routinely call people if they cannot locate them. Now that would be standard and essential practice for tests outside an athlete's testing hour but if, as Coleman claims, they 'always' call during the testing hour if you do not answer the door, then it seems US athletes are being systematically given assistance other nations athletes don't get. You could also view that of course as prior notice of a test. Are there fast acting masking agents out there that are effective within an hour, I wonder?

        The hypocrisy of USADA is nothing compared to the hypocrisy of their fans and journalists, though. I can't believe how sympathetic Letsrun and Flotrack were. Nothing wrong with being sympathetic of course .. .. . . .but that's not a trait they show to other nations' athletes who break the rules.
        this is completely true, Soviet, and why the world athletics body is allowing this and other practices by the uSA is beyond contempt. Is it money or sheer terror at taking on these lying hypocrites of USA exceptionalism.

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        • #49
          Another steaming pile of nonsense regarding this issue, emanating from, you guessed it, the USA - https://www.3wiresports.com/articles...-is-reasonable Apparently the writer is an award-winning sports journalist.

          In his piece he asks if it's reasonable that athletes have to stay in the same place for 1 hour every day ... He concludes, no!! They are being held "prisoner"!!!

          LOL, full-time athletes aren't even working 37 hours a week most weeks. What about office workers, teachers, nurses, train drivers etc etc etc? Do they feel like prisoners because they can't leave their workplace for periods of much longer than an hour? Can they play video games, watch TV, cook or do some cleaning during that period? No, but an athlete "imprisoned" at home can do all that and more during that hour.

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          • #50
            I can see it's now also a "Black Lives Matter" issue...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Pierre Johansson
              The anti-American hatred is strong in this thread LOL I'm trying to put myself in USADA's shoes; either we're lenient with Coleman and get called "lying hypocrites", "arrogant Americans" etc. by Eurotrash and Jamaican morons who care nada about doping on their own shores (talking about Jamaica and SOME European nations here) or we get called "racist hu-wite supremacists trying to hunt down and lynch the black man" by American blacks. Seems like they're stuck between a rock and hard place.
              True enough: the problem US T&F have is that the US legal system never backs them up, unlike in France, Italy etc.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Pierre Johansson
                The anti-American hatred is strong in this thread LOL I'm trying to put myself in USADA's shoes; either we're lenient with Coleman and get called "lying hypocrites", "arrogant Americans" etc. by Eurotrash and Jamaican morons who care nada about doping on their own shores (talking about Jamaica and SOME European nations here) or we get called "racist hu-wite supremacists trying to hunt down and lynch the black man" by American blacks. Seems like they're stuck between a rock and hard place.
                Well if you think that anybody with an ounce of integrity thinks in that way, fair enough.

                But their job is to apply the rules without fear or favour. What happens after that isn't their responsibility.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Laps View Post

                  Well if you think that anybody with an ounce of integrity thinks in that way, fair enough.

                  But their job is to apply the rules without fear or favour. What happens after that isn't their responsibility.
                  Coleman was whining about racism LAST time he was in trouble, so if you think giving him a severe punishment in this political climate (when white people in the US almost religiously apologise for their "white privilege") won't lead to outrage and cries of racism, I've got a bridge to sell you. His main competitor in the coming years may very well be Matthew Boling, a white American, which makes the situation even more delicate.

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                  • Laps
                    Laps commented
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                    Well if you go down the "perceptions" path you are bound to end up in the wrong place. Facts and reality work better.

                    Black people are incarcerated at the rate of x5 compared with white people in the US. Whatever the cries of racism they are still being punished, no doubt mostly correctly in accordance with US law.

                    We are the ones that sell the bridges.

                • #54
                  Just to strengthen my point: Coleman retweeted this tweet by Gabrielle Thomas (another one of those "whereabouts failure" sprinters):

                  https://twitter.com/ItsGabrielleT/st...17252660113408

                  "White track & field athletes tweeting nonstop about Coleman’s missed tests but it was like pulling teeth getting them to repost a single post about black people getting killed in the street."

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                  • #55
                    Originally posted by Pierre Johansson
                    The anti-American hatred is strong in this thread LOL I'm trying to put myself in USADA's shoes; either we're lenient with Coleman and get called "lying hypocrites", "arrogant Americans" etc. by Eurotrash and Jamaican morons who care nada about doping on their own shores (talking about Jamaica and SOME European nations here) or we get called "racist hu-wite supremacists trying to hunt down and lynch the black man" by American blacks. Seems like they're stuck between a rock and hard place.
                    But this time Coleman's fate isn't in USADA's hands. Instead he's been provisionally suspended by the (worldwide) Athletics Integrity Unit. It is they who will investigate further and decide on any ban. And I believe they will do so by the book without any consideration for race issues. To do otherwise would severely undermine their credibility.
                    Last edited by LuckySpikes; 21-06-20, 23:02.

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                    • #56
                      Originally posted by Pierre Johansson
                      The anti-American hatred is strong in this thread LOL I'm trying to put myself in USADA's shoes; either we're lenient with Coleman and get called "lying hypocrites", "arrogant Americans" etc. by Eurotrash and Jamaican morons who care nada about doping on their own shores (talking about Jamaica and SOME European nations here) or we get called "racist hu-wite supremacists trying to hunt down and lynch the black man" by American blacks. Seems like they're stuck between a rock and hard place.
                      No hate, Pierre - just a certain amount of cynicism based on the number of US athletes (including Coleman himself!) who have avoided bans on technicalities in the past few years. It makes USADA look at best toothless, and at worst willing to overlook wrongdoing.

                      And I despise doping whoever does it, whatever their nationality or race.

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                      • #57
                        Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post

                        But this time Coleman's fate isn't in USADA's hands. Instead he's been provisionally suspended by the (worldwide) Athletics Integrity Unit. It is they who will investigate further and decide on any ban. And I believe they will do so by the book without any consideration for race issues. To do otherwise would severely undermine their credibility.
                        Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets a stiff penalty. I'm tired of this race hustling nonsense, and even though USATF and USADA gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time, he wasn't grateful and he showed no remorse... and keeps doing the "I'm a victim" nonsense. Bye, bye, Chris. Go Matthew Boling and Ronnie Baker. Seem like classy guys.

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                        • #58
                          This thread has commented on lots of non-Americans, it’s certainly not “hate” or just anti-US. Posts from Philipo are probably the strongest ‘anti-US’ on the thread, but he is like that with everyone he believes is in the wrong, not just Americans.

                          As for GT’s post - when most of the BLM narrative has been asking people not to deflect from the issue at hand, she’s been masterful at doing exactly that. It shouldn’t matter what colour/country you’re from, if you want to make a career from sport, play by the rules, including the anti-doping ones. It doesn’t help her own cause that instead of focusing on that, she ignorantly calls this out as some sort of racism on the track community’s behalf.

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                          • #59
                            Originally posted by Pierre Johansson View Post
                            Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets a stiff penalty. I'm tired of this race hustling nonsense, and even though USATF and USADA gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time, he wasn't grateful and he showed no remorse... and keeps doing the "I'm a victim" nonsense. Bye, bye, Chris. Go Matthew Boling and Ronnie Baker. Seem like classy guys.
                            Sadly the case of Usadas feeble and dishonest behaviour is even better exemplified by the case of the American female boxer who claimed that the illegal substances in her body was as a result of sexual couplings with the boyfriend, and she got away with it.. So much for the principle of you are responsible for whats in your body.

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                            • #60
                              Wilson Kipsang banned for 4 years for his whereabouts failure case.

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                              • LuckySpikes
                                LuckySpikes commented
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                                At 42 years old when he returns that may very well put the cap on his career.
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