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  • MysteryBrick
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    CoachDev, are you insinuating the report is false?

  • trevorp
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    Infantino's name doesn't seem to have made it onto the AIU database yet and the reports on his suspension aren't at all informative. The 'Anti-doping database' site that I've looked at in the past now wants €29 per month so that's a "No!" from me!

  • CoachDev
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    Sovietvest when I say partner, boyfriend. If you view his recent progression against hers you’ll see a correlation with a lapse (some might say a test if works period)

    I know the report, suggest speak with some of old UKA staff (not currently employed)

    Sorry just too much in all that.

  • Sovietvest
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    Coach Dev,

    Disappointing to hear that Victoria is associated with Infantino. I can't find details of which substances he took - do you know? I try to keep an open mind about athletes but associations with known dopers - either training partners or coaches- always sets alarm bells ringing. I couldn't get excited by Neita's PBs after Ujah's bust.

    I've just re-read the written summary of Ohuruogu's Hearing. Your description of her third missed test: "She had left her place 5 min prior to the slot and when the testers arrived on the dot, they called her and told her they would wait the full hour and she chose not to return", is not what happened.

    "2.10.
    On 25 July 2006, a doping control offIcer went to Mile End Stadium, the declared location for Ohuruogu between 11am and 12 noon. Ohuruogu was not there. The offIcer waited for one hour and then filed a missed test report.
    2.11.
    Ohuruogu had planned to train at Mile End Stadium on that day, but at around 9.30am her coach telephoned her to say that he would have to train her at Crystal Palace Stadium instead because the facilities at Mile End Stadium were not available. Ohuruogu forgot to notify the change of schedule to the athletics authorities".

    Hopefully this link works:
    Christine Ohuruogu v. UK Athletics & IAAF, Award, 3 Apr 2007 (jusmundi.com)

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  • marra
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    RunUnlimited - I find that any athlete missing 3 tests is somewhat suspect, frankly. That doesn't mean that I believe that Christine was on drugs but it would be entirely naive to rule it out entirely. Whether she was trying to miss tests or not we'll never know. The fact remains that she did miss them.

    And, frankly, it doesn't really matter under strict liability rules anyway. At best, you could reasonable say she was irresponsible with her whereabouts, and that kind of example isn't probably one we should be passing on.

    For the record, I'm playing something of devil's advocate here - I have *ZERO* problem with her coaching. Much like I have no problem with David Millar being involved in cycling despite being an admitted doper - he's done plenty to try and keep others from his path and own up to his past, and his knowledge of the sport is valuable.

    I was just responding the original idea that was being put forward which was that the US was some kind of immoral backwater where anything goes and money is everything, unlike the upstanding folks over in Blighty. There's good and bad everywhere, that's my central point. We're just talking degrees.

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  • CoachDev
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    marra You do know that the missed 3rd test, was a deliberate missed test!
    She had left her place 5 min prior to the slot and when the testers arrived on the dot, they called her and told her they would wait the full hour and she chose not to return

    Well known by the staff at the time

    if she clean and above board. Her sister who just jumped the time is actually coached by her partner… drugs cheat and current banned athlete Italian Antonio Infandino
    Last edited by CoachDev; 07-09-22, 08:53.

  • jjimbojames
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    PJ - you can’t compare TBO in 2006 to the system now. TBO was essentially the test case, plus the British took it much more seriously than others in those days. Now - the global system takes it seriously and the system is easy for athletes to update - it’s tough to fail three times!

  • Pierre Johansson
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    The fact that she's Nigerian British just like you has nothing to do with your opinion on this subject, I'm sure. If an American missed 3 tests in 8 months and was exonerated by USADA you'd be right there defending him/her.

    You didn't address the Linford Christie part of the post above...

    With all that said, I do believe there is a difference between tampering and missing 3 tests. Missing three tests is bad, tampering is terrible.

  • Pierre Johansson
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    Maybe you're right, but when he does this ALL THE TIME, and almost nobody tells him off (or threatens to ban him), I think it's time to fight fire with fire. He recently called a woman who's had severe bouts of anxiety and depression a "miserable [c-word]". Nobody did a thing. "Americans deserve it" seems to be the motto of this forum.

  • RunUnlimited
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    The *massive* difference between TBO's case and that of Ross Jnr (and also for the likes of Coleman and Naser), is that Ohurugho was a genuine error, with no intent to mislead or try and avoid getting tested.

    Ross Jnr has been charged with *tampering* with the whereabouts procedure in such a way, that he got slapped with a ban. Considering how high profile TBO's case had been, and the way the rules and procedures for whereabouts testing have changed as a result, there is very little excuse for athletes to still be caught out by it, let alone the actions that Ross Jnr has been banned for.

    Christine has every right to now be coaching her younger sister, *because she did nothing wrong* to begin with. Ross Jnr subsequent actions (and those of his dad who was wrapped up in the BALCO scandal), show that he's not someone you'd want running any sort of reputable athletics programme.

  • CoachDev
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    Hope you already read what I wrote here. Asked to delete it



    jr was banned for technically tampering with the process

    sr btw sued Graham for grassing him up, good character
    Last edited by CoachDev; 06-09-22, 16:15.

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  • marra
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    And on the subject of drugs, wasn't Ross Jnr banned for something to do with missing tests or similar, rather than a direct ban for a failed test like the Nigerian?

    Because if that is the case and if we're talking about missed tests being the same level of seriousness, we would have to say Christine probably shouldn't be coaching.

    Also, Linford was chosen as a "mentor" in the mid 2000s by UK Athletics - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/4910440.stm not to mention his own coaching, well after his drugs ban.

    For the record, I'm not saying that the issue in the UK is anywhere near as bad as it seems to be in the States, but I don't think our record of keeping those with known or suspected past issues with the drug process away from our athletes could be described as perfect.

    And that's not to mention the other issues Sprints rightly brings up. As I said earlier, money talks too often in sports ahead of strict morals, everywhere in the world. Some places are clearly better/worse than others but I don't think any country escapes its clutches entirely, us included.

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  • marra
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    Originally posted by Pierre Johansson View Post
    Don't worry about "marilyn"/"philippo"/"jeremy" or whatever this turd's real name is. He's basically the George Galloway of this forum. An insane dunce whose relatives would probably rather hang themselves than to hang out with him.
    Whilst I think that his attacks on America/Americans were completely ridiculous, I'm not convinced the right response is to attack him personally either.

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  • Pierre Johansson
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    Originally posted by marra View Post
    What a classy comment...
    Don't worry about "marilyn"/"philippo"/"jeremy" or whatever this turd's real name is. He's basically the George Galloway of this forum. An insane dunce whose relatives would probably rather hang themselves than to hang out with him.

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  • Laps
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    Originally posted by LoveSprints1 View Post

    A little bit pot and kettle!. We (the UK) seem to have been pretty good at turning a blind eye to sexually abusive/ inappropriate behaviour and bullying and harassment and either ignoring or shifting the problem elsewhere. Plus we had an era of drug abuse allegedly condoned by some of the people running our sport.

    It's all awful and wrong, but we cannot point fingers unless looking in the mirror also!
    Lovesprints1 you are conflating two entirely different things. The rules on doping have been clear throughout the last few decades. As you say its awful and wrong because if doping was allowed free rein it would lead to the destruction of athlete's health and the sport itself. Society's reaction to bullying, harassment and sexually inapproprite behaviour has changed massively over the decades. Reaction to these and other forms of bad behaviour is always in flux and no doubt some things which are regarded as criminal today will lose that status only to be replaced by other objectionable behaviour according to the fashion and concerns of the time. One only has to think of the extreme changes in reaction to homosexuality and pedophilia which have taken place in my lifetime. All these things are in flux and who knows where we will be in another 50 years. Younger people may see these things as fixed and certain but they are not.

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