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  • Brace yourself for yet another English civil war

    Pleased the forum has returned but thought it needed a bit of sports politics to spice it up! This from Jason Henderson is an interesting read:

    The latest scuffle involves an attempted coup to oust Richard Bowker. The UK Athletics chairman has only been in the post for a year but the Daily Mail reports he has been asked to leave by the UKA members’ council just days after the governing body’s Niels de Vos resigned as chief executive.

    Disgruntlement is caused by Bowker’s desire to merge UKA with England Athletics and the latest developments say he has been given until the end of this week to find a solution.

    https://www.athleticsweekly.com/blog...ar-1039918127/

    I heard that Niels de Vos was on the verge of losing a vote of no confidence over the proposal to merge UKA with England Athletics. If it went ahead it would, as the Celtic nations see it, mean England in charge of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland with England not in favour of it either! Looks like Bowker is in trouble as well.

    Interesting times with both the UKA chief executive and chairman both, possibly, leaving the sport. Ed Warner got out just in time!

  • #2
    It seems to me that there is a perennial problem as highlighted by JH that there is always a substantial group of people who are unhappy with the way the governing bodies operate in athletics. I suppose in many ways its no different in other sports, there's always the split between the "blazers", "the committee", "the grassroots", "the old school", "the commercial side", "the juniors", "the hobbyists". I don't know if it is really any worse in athletics than in other sports. But that's not to say that it doesn't need resolving (or at least attempting to be resolved).

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    • #3
      Niels de Vos to oversee 2021 World Championships in Eugene

      https://www.athleticsweekly.com/news...ne-1039918170/

      That didn't take long!

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      • #4
        Well, presumably getting that job was why he left his previous one.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Occasional Hope View Post
          Well, presumably getting that job was why he left his previous one.
          lets face it ;the people at the top are all on the make anwyay; just like so many politicos sadly.

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          • #6
            "On the make"?

            It's his career.

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            • #7
              Why is everyone who's been using this forum for years called a 'junior member'?

              I suppose the structure of home nations plus UKA on top is always going to cause tensions and problems. It also serves to isolate the elite part of the sport from the grassroots.

              I wonder who would be interesting in replacing de Vos? Jack Buckner, perhaps? He's currently head of British Swimming. But surely UKA can't get very far with the appointment process if the chairman's head is on the block?

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              • #8
                It's an algorithm I think - automated anyway, based on number of posts in the new forum. Because it's on a different platform and the old posts aren't being carried over, the system can't count them. Eventually we will get "promoted".

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                • #9
                  Aren't we all "on the make"? These are jobs, not charity roles. Ambitious, capable people take them and with it the risks of failure etc. It would be a bonkers world if roles like NdV's at UKA was given to some unambitious, risk averse plodder.

                  The fact that he is snapped up by other high profile organisations suggests that they see more positivity in what he did than perhaps the casual fan does?

                  In terms of a replacement, no one will satisfy everyone.

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                  • #10
                    Niels de Vos obviously has experience of organising major championships with some success so his appointment is not that surprising. What he has struggled with is running the sport as a whole and this is the main complaint of most people associated with our sport. The problems are not all of his making with government and sports council policies having a major influence on our sport and the perennial home nations, volunteer v professional and history/culture issues all playing a significant part.
                    Under his watch though he has fragmented the sport with an ever widening gap between grassroots and elite. UKA have grown massively and are seen as over bloated with crucial areas such as coaching being under resourced. He boasted about having a clear plan for UKA once he split it from England and the other home nations, more fragmentation, but it contributed to an even more disjointed structure. Now he wanted to re-integrate them without fully realising the political issues.
                    He was allowed time to resign so set himself up as an independent consultant in a deal which, I believe, retains his services with UKA on a limited basis. He is seen as a good man for the Eugene world championships, and good luck to him, but he was not the right man to oversee the whole of our sport.
                    The challenge now is what do we want for our sport and after that find the best person for the job.

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                    • #11
                      I had heard UKA made a big loss on the Athletics World Cup.
                      REVEALED: Shambolic Athletics World Cup lost over £1million

                      • UK Athletics is in turmoil due to row between governing body and home nations
                      • It is expected to descend further into crisis with confirmation of World Cup cost
                      • Senior officials are bracing themselves for the publication of annual accounts
                      • World Cup was held on same weekend as FIFA World Cup and Wimbledon finals

                      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...-1million.html

                      This and the attempt to integrate UKA with England Athletics is causing major governance issues and could have severe consequences for our sport. Years of ignoring the sport as a whole, led by government policies but aided by poor governance and policy decisions, have led to this.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by larkim View Post
                        Aren't we all "on the make"? These are jobs, not charity roles. Ambitious, capable people take them and with it the risks of failure etc. It would be a bonkers world if roles like NdV's at UKA was given to some unambitious, risk averse plodder.

                        The fact that he is snapped up by other high profile organisations suggests that they see more positivity in what he did than perhaps the casual fan does?

                        In terms of a replacement, no one will satisfy everyone.
                        no sir, we are not all of us " on the make" as you seem to think; excessive ambition can end up making one ruthless,selfish and amoral.If one is happy with those negative characteristics so be it, but I always hated that mentality.

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                        • #13
                          Agree about excessive ambition. But surely we all want (to a greater or lesser extent) to better ourselves, better our financial position etc. Obviously, the moral approach with which you do that is vitally important. But equally I don't think that all people driven by achieving success and high profile are by their nature immoral; most of the supremely talented senior leaders that I've met in various walks of life have been anything but ruthless, selfish and amoral. Of course, I'm not so naive as to assume that such individuals don't exist who are just out for their own gain too!!

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                          • #14
                            All things considered, apparently landing that position was the reason he left his past one























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                            Last edited by Henry; 31-12-18, 11:38.

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