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  • That relay mix-up was an absolute joke of a mistake. Nobody with the position to write the teamsheet for a national squad should be making that error. Name, shame & dismiss. No question. It would happen in other sports.

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    • And if that’s not bad enough, whomever is handling the BA Twitter account is now blocking athletes that have represented GB before and criticised them for the situation (Sam Ruddock) - in my view, even worse than the relay balls up in the first place, as this is deliberate. I’d like to see them try and block DAS et al, who have also criticised them for it.

      Soviet - completely agree. World class athletes took it seriously, most of our top names did not and the NGB didn’t make them, so athletes and NGB at fault. Kat Stefanídi said on Twitter that if the comp paid, more stars would turn up, as they’d break their training and put the meet in their plans if it were a DL. Makes me even more happy that she won, given she still turned up for free. Some of our top- ranked athletes tweeting about how amazing it would be if the comp was held at the London Stadium - erm, only if you turned up!

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      • One way of helping participation to consider is giving winners with the qualifying standard an automatic place in the following championship team - didn't they do that one year?

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        • Originally posted by CAML View Post
          Is that a job application Jumbo?
          lets face it Neil Black is career climbing nobody who got lucky. Who expected better? not me mate.

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          • I think Morgan Lake has some kind of injury problem, which is probably why she withdrew.

            I blame Neil Black for treating this competition as a development event for the past few years. He sets the tone and the athletes follow. But the scheduling for this year doesn't help: ETC, then Birmingham, then the trials - that's three weekends in a row. Most other European countries have had their trials already, which must have made it easier for their athletes to commit to competing.

            Sovietvest is right: the ETC is a perfect way to get casual viewers interested in the sport. UK Sport should broaden their criteria for assessing UKA's success. A major international competition with hours of TV time should be taken more seriously. Also it's really fun. If GB had fielded DAS, Nielsen, Muir, Weightman, McColgan, Lake (if she were fit) Bradshaw, Prescod, Hughes, MHS, O'Hare and Butchart...it could have been a very different story.

            As for the 4 x 400 cock-up and its unsavoury aftermath - words fail me.

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            • Originally posted by sidelined View Post
              I think Morgan Lake has some kind of injury problem, which is probably why she withdrew.

              I blame Neil Black for treating this competition as a development event for the past few years. He sets the tone and the athletes follow. But the scheduling for this year doesn't help: ETC, then Birmingham, then the trials - that's three weekends in a row. Most other European countries have had their trials already, which must have made it easier for their athletes to commit to competing.

              Sovietvest is right: the ETC is a perfect way to get casual viewers interested in the sport. UK Sport should broaden their criteria for assessing UKA's success. A major international competition with hours of TV time should be taken more seriously. Also it's really fun. If GB had fielded DAS, Nielsen, Muir, Weightman, McColgan, Lake (if she were fit) Bradshaw, Prescod, Hughes, MHS, O'Hare and Butchart...it could have been a very different story.

              As for the 4 x 400 cock-up and its unsavoury aftermath - words fail me.
              Agree that the BA or UKA have screwed up with their scheduling this year without a doubt. It will be illuminating to see at the WC which athletes have gone off the boil due to bad timings of competition; i note that the Kenyan Champs/Trials are a mere fortnight before Doha; the USA Champs, on the other hand, were 2 and a half months before the WC.

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              • This has become quite low profile and not a targetted event as it once was. I seem to recall all the big guns used to do this - but now our top athletes do not seem to give this any importance - and some officials too who cannot get a relay sheet right. How is this person still in a job? Watching this weekend in what is generally a poor standard in world terms and the NCAA division 1 champs would probably be a more compettive and exciting event - in fact maybe their winners if they made a team would win this event. I am not sure what the tactic is by the team management and performance department which could be interpreted as arrogance as the so called best athlete do not need this level of competition. For example, the pole vault, discus javelin hammer (ok they had bad days) high jump men and women were not at international standard as were some of the track events as well. Looking at the team as a whole that performed - you could count probably on one hand athletes who would make their individual finals at the WC and one or two with medal chances. I looked at the stats and the UK get 5-7 medals at the WC and that is similar to pre lottery days which begs the question, what has lottery done to move the event forward. I have been watching for some time and I am not sure if there is a plan to develop talent - just wait for it to arrive and then decline. Jody Williams and even Adam Gemilie were superstar youngsters but have done little since they emerged and I suppose you could say Gemillie and Kilty have made their names indoors where maybe it is not as competitive and a bit of a side show to the main event outdoors but neither have done much on the world level outdoors. Pre lottery we have many world beaters and famous names but since we have had lottery we have had only a handfull of names who have been so prominant. I guess what I really am getting at is that it seems lottery has really been the spark for other Olympic sports while track and field - the main sport -really has not appeared to be a major beneficiary in terms of results although facilities are now as good as anywhere in the world. I wonder if their is a program but I feel that athletics is regressing as a TV attraction and we need more big names like our female sprinter and the heptathlete.
                Last edited by Happyjogger; 14-08-19, 20:49.

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                • Originally posted by Happyjogger View Post
                  This has become quite low profile and not a targetted event as it once was. I seem to recall all the big guns used to do this - but now our top athletes do not seem to give this any importance - and some officals too who cannot get a relay sheet right. How is this person still in a job? Watching this weekend in what is generally a poor standard on world terms and the NCAA division 1 champs would probably be a more compettive and exciting event - in fact maybe their winners if they made a team would winn this event. I am not sure what the tactic is by the team management and performance department which could be interpreted as arrogance as the so called best athlete do not need this level of competition. For example, the pole vault, discus javelin hammer (ok nthey had bad dyas) high jump men and women were not at intentaional standard as were some of the track events as well. Looking at the team as a whole that performed - you could count probably on one hand athletes who would make thier individual finals at the WC and one or two with medal chances. I looked at the stats and the UK get 5-7 medals at the WC and that is similar to pre lottery days which begs the question, what has lottery done to move the event forward. I have been watching for some time and I am not nsure if there is a plan to develop talent - just wait for it to arrive and then decline. Jody Williams adn even Adam Gemilie were superstar youngsters but have done little since they emerged and I suppose you could say GEmillie and Kilty have made their names indoors where maybe it is not as competitive and a bit of a side show to the main event outdoors but neother have done much on the world level outdoors. Pre lottery we have many world beaters and famous names but since we have had lottery we have had only a handfull of names who have been so prominant. I nguess what I really am getting at is that it seems lottery has really been the spark for other Olympic sports while track and field - the main sport -really has not appeared to be a major beneficiary in terms of results although facilities are now as good as anywhere in the world. I wonder if their is a program but I feel that athletics is regressing as a TV attraction and we need more big names like our female sprinter and the heptathlete.
                  there is much to agree with here and I certainly think that Lottery money has not led to significant improvement in athletics success in the UK unlike a number of sports in the Olympics.When our fortunes in byegone days are referred one receives pathetic attacks about how it aint true and we are as good in athletics performances as at other earlier times.
                  We seem to make mini heroes of our athletes with copious media exposure when they have done little to deserve it at global level.Lets recall that the most media stuff in this country regarding individual athletes in the last two years and still competing in track and field revolves around athletes who have not even medalled at global outdoors.

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                  • A lot of our bigger names didn’t participate, but there were a fair few top level athletes from Germany, France and Italy who gave it a pass as well.

                    Maybe Stefanidi was on to something the other night, I suspect she was saying what a lot of other athletes were thinking but weren’t prepared to say. But it is a tricky equation, I doubt the EA coffers would stretch very far if they had to guarantee every athlete competing in Bydgoszcz some form of remuneration, the alternative is giving the bigger names a bigger slice of the pie and there’s already an unequal distribution of earnings in athletics. I would have liked to have seen Zharnel Hughes just as much as you Soviet but part of me can understand him skipping it if it meant doing 3 races when other meets are offering him a fee for doing 1 race. BAs attitude continues to frustrate, they selected a team minus virtually all our household names at last years World Cup and that was a home event

                    I see today that they’ve announced the first wave of athlete “ambassadors” for the Europe vs USA match, including Stefanidi, Duplantis and Rohler. The later two opted out of the ETC, the Europe / USA match does include appearance/ prize money so it looks like money talks. Having said that announcing competing athletes in advance may get more bums on seats in which case the appearance fees pay for themselves
                    Last edited by treadwater1; 13-08-19, 23:00.

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