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  • Ones to keep an eye on leading up to Paris 2024

    These are athletes perhaps no-one would even consider for a senior Outdorrs team right now but could rise Keely Hodgkinson style over the next couple of years. My fist pick is William Battershill in the 3000M S/C. I believe he is in 8.22 / 23 shape right now so a couple of extra years of improvement could get him down around 8.15. He has actually ran more steeples this year than last year so far so he may not be planning to do anymore but his recent 3:41 1500M suggests he could go sub 8:30 for the first time in a fast even split style race. I do not predict Keely style greatness but starting to get World / Olympic finalists again for the men would be a start.

    Does anyone else have anymore tips for the top. They can be obvious (Yemi Mary John) or Otherwise. All are welcome.

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    I suspect this will be a very track centric thread☹️

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    • Loop-guru
      Loop-guru commented
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      There are a few but for most Paris might be too soon. I was thinking of doing one on Lucy Hadaway in the Long Jump. Her progress has stalled this year but a 10cm increase to her PB over the next 2 years would get her to 6.83

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    Event-wise, I suspect the w400m and heptathlon are going to be great to watch unfold…the hep has four women fighting for three places, all of whom will need an early hep to get the qualifying score. The w400m - we legitimately could have 10 women with the WC standard!

    Individuals - I’m looking for Sammy Ball and Toby Makoyawo to keep progressing.

    Sophie McKinna - if her new technique beds in could be a surprise package

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    • #4
      Originally posted by jjimbojames View Post
      Sophie McKinna - if her new technique beds in could be a surprise package
      Interesting call on McKinna. Suspect that could go one of 2 ways, just hope it isn’t the Hitchon route.

      On the subject of which she’s still only 31, so I’ll start a rumour she’s on the comeback trail for Paris and hope she’s listening! Her NR would have been very close to the medals in Eugene.

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      • jjimbojames
        jjimbojames commented
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        Indeed…but it if doesn’t work out, she’s not getting picked on current distances, so she needs to see results or change back!

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      Mia McIntosh - 100m Hurdles

      Onyeka Okoh - 400m Hurdles

      Sam Lunt - 400m Hurdles

      Faith Akinbilejie - 200m

      Sophie Walton - 200m

      Ethan Hussey - 800m/1500m

      Sam Reardon - 400m/800m

      Daniel Goriola - 110m Hurdles

      Jaiden Dean - 110m Hurdles

      Nia Wedderburn-Goodison - 100m

      Abigail Ives - 800m

      Abigail Pawlett, Ella Rush, Eloise Hind, Seren Rodgers, Chisom Nwafor - Heptathlon (Yes, I really do think all of them have a chance, though in the cases of Rodgers and Nwafor, their so young (U17s) that it's possible they will eventually find success in a specialist event rather than as a heptathlete. Time will tell.)

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      • carterhatch
        carterhatch commented
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        ... lo and behold,

        Originally posted by Loop-guru View Post
        Geogina Adam has improved her 400m PB by 2.5 seconds running 52.73 on the 10th August.

      • Loop-guru
        Loop-guru commented
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        I like a lot of these picks. Some might still be a bit young come Paris 2024 and that Heptathlon strengh is amazing. Re your 800M picks. I think Abigail Ives is very much in contention and could make a similar impact in Paris as Keeley made in Tokyo. Re Onyeka OKoh, have you seen his 400M PB It explains to a certain extent why he has been progressing all season. It's 47.73. That's actually quicker than a lot of our senior 400M Hurdlers have run IMO he could be another contender for what could end up being a tough team to make - namely the mens 4X400M

      • RunUnlimited
        RunUnlimited commented
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        @Loop-guru

        I too think a few of my picks will be looking at the 2028 Olympics rather than Paris 2024, but I still feel they have some good chances at progressing further. Ives rapid ascension this year into 6th in the World U20 800m final, was no fluke, and see her as a leading contender for gold at next year's European U20 Champs (along with Werro, who will still be an U20, and potential teammates Phoebe Gill, who'll be eligible for the U20's, and/or Iris Downes). There is also the outside chance that Ives will improve again to such a level that she could indeed do a Keely and qualify for 2023 World Champs! All just speculation of course.
        On Okoh, I think I was the first on here to note his improvements over the 400m hurdles this year and as you point out, his flat 400m times - fast enough to rank him 6th on the UK U20 lists for 2022 - have certainly helped propel him to personal best after personal best, culminating in his 50.95 semi final in Cali, an outright UK age 17 best. At this stage and with the rate of his development in the event, I would wager that Okoh could become the first British teenager to go sub-50 seconds in the 400m hurdles, eclipsing Alistair Chalmers UK U20 record of 50.07 set in 2019. And like you state Loop, it wouldn't surprise me if he became a mainstay in future 4x400m relay squads too, starting with the U20's next year. Though Ed Faulds would have moved up into the U23s, there will be still several members of the gold medal winning team at last year's Euro U20's who will still be eligible for the 2023 edition - Charlie Carvell, 4th placer in the individual 400m in Tallinn, has missed all this outdoor season due to injury, but should be back by next year, Reuben Henry-Daire, and Samuel Reardon, 4th in the 800m final in Cali just a week or so ago, will also be still around as U20s.

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      Avoiding the obvious U20 kids (Faulds, John etc)...

      Charlotte Payne - No surprise. Not many first year U23s throw 69m+ so consistently around the world. Wouldn't be shocked if she unleashed a 72/73m effort this year, and would almost be surprised if she isn't challenging the NR by 2024. I saw her throw in person for the first time at English seniors and her rotation speed and balance really makes you sit up and take note.

      Jake Minshull - First year U20, decent multi-eventer and 800m runner but I think his future may lie over 400h. I watched him run a 1.49low 800 at Watford yesterday, winning his race and setting a 2s PB. His speed will need to improve for the hurdles, and he isn't the tallest, but he fits the 'one to watch' bill. Could very much see him running sub 50 and making the team in 2024.

      A few for 2028 - Murray Fotheringham (Dec), D'mitri Varlack (LJ), Innes Fitzgerland (MD), Phoebe Gill (800/1500), Arabella Wilson (400/400h), Cleo Agyepong (SP)

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      • Loop-guru
        Loop-guru commented
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        Some interesting picks there. Charlotte Payne trajectory is truly Keelyesque. Her improvement over the last few years is 2017 - 52.27, 2018 - 56.08, 2019 - 61.83, 2020 - 63.92, 2021 - 64.09, 2022 - 70.59 If this is maintained she will be around 77-78 metres by the time of Paris 2024. She is no doubt a potential world beater.

      • Ursus
        Ursus commented
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        I hope you’re right but any future improvement is likely to be much more incremental than the huge jump we’ve seen this year.

      • RunUnlimited
        RunUnlimited commented
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        Your call on Minshull in the 400m hurdles could be a really good one. He was 2nd to eventual World U20 semi finalist Onyeka Okoh at the UK U20 Champs, just a few days after setting his PB of 51.73 winning at the English Schools. With his background in multi events and the 800m, I think Minshull's could be soon be going sub-51 like Okoh managed in Cali as well. He'll be eligible for the World U20s in 2024 too.

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      My next pick is for Rio Mitchum. Again, perhaps not destined for Keeleyesque heights but looks to me just a few quick times away from making teams for us for years to come. His PB does not do him justice and if he had got in some of the races that Joe Brier and AHW have done this year you would already be looking at a low 45 performer. He peaked for the UK champs and took the scalps of both Brier and AHW finishing in third place in very windy conditions. Looking at the times that weekend he could expect to run at least a second quicker. Coupled to the fact he is fairly new to the event I feel with a bit of natural progression between now and Paris 2024 he could be a solid 44.?? performer

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      • #8
        Originally posted by Christy93 View Post
        Avoiding the obvious U20 kids (Faulds, John etc)...


        A few for 2028 - Murray Fotheringham (Dec), D'mitri Varlack (LJ), Innes Fitzgerland (MD), Phoebe Gill (800/1500), Arabella Wilson (400/400h), Cleo Agyepong (SP)
        Dimitri Varlack is originally from the British Virgin islands and competed for them at the CARIFTA Games in April (even tho his Po10 profile lists him as competing for Marshall MK) .

        https://www.284media.com/local/2022/...est-ever-team/

        As the BVI complete at the Olympics, he has no real incentive to switch to GB a'la Zharnel Hughes. Apparently his grandad is the President of the BVI Basketball Federation and I'm guessing he's also related to this chap

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralston_Varlack

        Do you rate Murray Fotheringham as a better prospect than Sammy Ball?

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        • #9
          Originally posted by Ulster-Scot View Post

          Dimitri Varlack is originally from the British Virgin islands and competed for them at the CARIFTA Games in April (even tho his Po10 profile lists him as competing for Marshall MK) .

          https://www.284media.com/local/2022/...est-ever-team/

          As the BVI complete at the Olympics, he has no real incentive to switch to GB a'la Zharnel Hughes. Apparently his grandad is the President of the BVI Basketball Federation and I'm guessing he's also related to this chap

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralston_Varlack

          Do you rate Murray Fotheringham as a better prospect than Sammy Ball?
          Aware of that RE Varlack, but he has in recent months been taken under BAs wing and has been up to Loughborough for training sessions, earmarking for the future, so I'd imagine there must be at least some hope that he'll compete for GBR.

          I'm no multis expert, I just think Fotheringham looks a really talent. Sammy's also great and I know a few on here really excited about him looking forward.

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          • Occasional Hope
            Occasional Hope commented
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            Fotheringham clearly has a lot of talent, but I'm wary because he hasn't completed a full decathlon since 2018 when he was an u17, and he has DNF a few indoor heptathlons too.

        • #10
          Not exactly a kid but Rommel glave is still only 22 and if he can get over injuries…

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          • Loop-guru
            Loop-guru commented
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            On the World Athletics site he is still coming up for Jamaica & he is not ranked on PO10 for 2021 though he was on there last year. Potentially also one for Missing in Action.

        • #11
          Following on from Lee Valley, Dagenham and Stratford are holding regular sprint meets. I've noticed how young and fast the athletes are, and how many don't compete out of East London. I'd expect some significant talent to emerge from these hot spots.
          Michael Jenkins has broken the F38 Celebral Palsy world record for discus by 3 metres with 55.92. Just 17, standing 6'9", he could redefine the event.

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