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  • #16
    Originally posted by marra View Post
    Think you're being a bit harsh to the Heptathletes myself MysteryBrick. Of all the events - outside of maybe the women's LJ - that's surely the event most likely to medal at a truly elite level. Even with KJT not at her best she was still top 8 in Eugene, which is better than any of the other events did. And she's arguably only the GB number 2 this year - I'm looking forward to the battle between her and Mills in Brum.
    Mills didnt happen.

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    • #17
      Regarding competition, Bedford has a decent field only meeting. I think we could do with another 3 or 4 similar meets at other venues during the season. These venues don't need massive spectator capacity just decent field event facilities. Saying that Bedford has 2 small stands and plenty of standing space outside the track.

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      • #18
        I am looking for a place to have a moan about the BBC coverage and (perhaps oddly) this might be it. Bear with me...

        Yesterday at the CWG was, as far as I can tell, one of the most exciting and high quality days/nights of field athletics of all time.
        Both the wLJ and the mJT were packed with huge stars performing at the top of their game - ding-dong, tense, huge performances.
        Heck the wLJ even had some excitement generated by England athletes... ...and yet...
        ...and yet the BBC dedicated athletics feed showed almost none of it!!
        Was I doing something wrong? Was there a better dedicated feed I did not know about?! Was the BBC1 coverage actually a Gabby-free camera pointed exclusively at Brume?

        ...Because if not, then that could be part of the problem right there. Field events are so exciting. Gosh, with the ultra-HD cameras they use when they do point them at action,
        it is like you are sitting right next to Jasmin Sawyers by the runway - love it! But no. They are ignored.
        OK Ugen did not have a good day. But Sawyers did. And Brume and Acquah and many others involved are huge likeable characters who'd make any kid want to have a go.
        And as has been noted already here, the mJT was perhaps even more massive. Major global political engines whirring into gear. If India is going to be good at athletics now,
        then that is great, but it also means that Pakistan will _have_ to be good too.
        Its just so exciting, and literally anyone allowed to watch would find a hero to identify with.

        See a LJ or JT hero. Maybe _be_ a LJ or JT hero one day!

        ...But no. Let's listen to dirge after dirge. (Such Advances as Australia Fair had made were made by getting the kids inspired by action, not dodgy chunks of canned semiclassical musak.)

        </end rant>

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        • #19
          The iPlayer stream had more coverage of the field…but as pointed out yesterday, that should be the mainstream and the talking heads restricted, or on the iPlayer…the Beeb seem to think that although other sports don’t have this constant desire for studio chat, that is what athletics viewers want. Fair enough when sometime the timetable is so weirdly spread out, there is no action, but this week has been pretty full.

          There is no reason why MJ can’t just commentate on the race live or speak briefly as the camera moves to the field…they’d be paying him the same either way (another bug bear - far too many in a studio to be cost effective…Jen could have just anchored the show from the mixed zone!)

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          • carterhatch
            carterhatch commented
            Editing a comment
            Having done such a good job as the anchor for the World's I was baffled why Jeanette should make way for Gabi ... if it was her choice, than fine, but a step back in my humble view.

        • #20
          I assume I was watching the iPlayer stream. There were no talking heads. But there was also virtually no LJ. Until round 6.

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          • #21
            Until the BBC understands that there is no correlation between great athletic ability and commentating / punditry skills we’ll continue to get mediocre coverage. Ref Kwayke / Logan I actually think it’s right that the whole panel shouldn’t be ex athletes. Casual viewers need things explaining in a way that just won’t occur to the experts. The lead presenter’s role is ringmastering and asking questions, not to provide insight (although more of that from the pundits paid to provide it wouldn’t go amiss…..).

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            • jjimbojames
              jjimbojames commented
              Editing a comment
              Don’t you think JK did that in Oregon? I thought she did a great job with the WC

            • Ursus
              Ursus commented
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              I thought she was OK, but not outstanding. Early days in her broadcast career of course.

              It’s one of the criticisms of Match of the Day for instance that it’s all ex players with in jokes and assumed levels of knowledge. Quite apart from the fact that any broadcaster’s key role is to communicate (which many ex sportsman are spectacularly bad at….and why should we expect otherwise,….in their sporting careers they have had a natural aptitude followed by many thousands of hours training that skill…).

            • jjimbojames
              jjimbojames commented
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              She’s certainly a work in progress. I think the whole presentation of athletics needs an overhaul…

          • #22
            Originally posted by paul View Post
            I am looking for a place to have a moan about the BBC coverage and (perhaps oddly) this might be it. Bear with me...

            Yesterday at the CWG was, as far as I can tell, one of the most exciting and high quality days/nights of field athletics of all time.
            Both the wLJ and the mJT were packed with huge stars performing at the top of their game - ding-dong, tense, huge performances.
            Heck the wLJ even had some excitement generated by England athletes... ...and yet...
            ...and yet the BBC dedicated athletics feed showed almost none of it!!
            Was I doing something wrong? Was there a better dedicated feed I did not know about?! Was the BBC1 coverage actually a Gabby-free camera pointed exclusively at Brume?

            ...Because if not, then that could be part of the problem right there. Field events are so exciting. Gosh, with the ultra-HD cameras they use when they do point them at action,
            it is like you are sitting right next to Jasmin Sawyers by the runway - love it! But no. They are ignored.
            OK Ugen did not have a good day. But Sawyers did. And Brume and Acquah and many others involved are huge likeable characters who'd make any kid want to have a go.
            And as has been noted already here, the mJT was perhaps even more massive. Major global political engines whirring into gear. If India is going to be good at athletics now,
            then that is great, but it also means that Pakistan will _have_ to be good too.
            Its just so exciting, and literally anyone allowed to watch would find a hero to identify with.

            See a LJ or JT hero. Maybe _be_ a LJ or JT hero one day!

            ...But no. Let's listen to dirge after dirge. (Such Advances as Australia Fair had made were made by getting the kids inspired by action, not dodgy chunks of canned semiclassical musak.)

            </end rant>
            I thought the world feed did a solid job of highlighting the field events. The problem on the final night was that the entire program was about an hour shorter than the other evenings had been. When that happens, you almost inevitably end up having to make some sacrifices about what you can show.

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            • #23
              Looking at these complaints about the coverage I am conscious that I am lucky to be residing in Australia - at least for this event. The CWG was the "property" of a commercial TV network , Channel 7 ; and their up to three channel cover of numerous events wasn't bad : although there was of course a tendency to spend a lot of time with interviews of Australian medallists (no shortage of those ! ) even while live action proceeded in the background... plus advertisements and historic replays etc...

              BUT : the big plus was that the network had a free web site available to anyone who cared to log in - and it hosted constant showing of virtually every event taking place. (OK couldn't show every bowls rink at once but apart from that not much was unavailable : two squash courts at all tomes , same badminton - you get the idea). For the athletics : fully dedicated streams for each individual field event , or the track (sometimes with zero commentary but who cares about that ?) .Didn't need to miss a single jump for example... The only issue was deciding when one really wanted to skip over to another event taking place simultaneously.

              I felt literally spoiled for choice. Only loss was sleep...

              Was anything like that available in the UK ? If not : why not ? The technology is all there...

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              • Ladyloz
                Ladyloz commented
                Editing a comment
                Yes there were 11 streams available from BBC online and I-player including a dedicated athletics feed.

              • LuckySpikes
                LuckySpikes commented
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                There were no dedicated field event streams on the BBC though.

            • #24
              There were 50+ jumps in the wLJ prior to the final round (including several very-nearly 7m jumps). I saw a grand total of 4 of those shown on the dedicated athletics feed that I was watching.
              There were even 13 jumps by England athletes (including 2 near PBs by Sawyers putting her right in the mix). I saw a grand total of _zero_ of those.
              I know all this because I was also following the comp on the results page!! (Having given up hope of following it by means of the `dedicated feed'.)

              LOL, I guess I must have been incredibly unlucky with the comfort break timings (all, I thought, during medal ceremonies).
              Or maybe I just live in a different universe to some other forum members.
              Luckily for me, we have twitter in my universe - else I might be lead to question my grasp on reality.

              And it is not Ozzy frikkin Osborne's Black Sabbath. Tony was right there.
              Last edited by paul; 09-08-22, 10:40.

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              • #25
                Originally posted by paul View Post
                I am looking for a place to have a moan about the BBC coverage and (perhaps oddly) this might be it. Bear with me...

                Yesterday at the CWG was, as far as I can tell, one of the most exciting and high quality days/nights of field athletics of all time.
                Both the wLJ and the mJT were packed with huge stars performing at the top of their game - ding-dong, tense, huge performances.
                Heck the wLJ even had some excitement generated by England athletes... ...and yet...
                ...and yet the BBC dedicated athletics feed showed almost none of it!!
                Was I doing something wrong? Was there a better dedicated feed I did not know about?! Was the BBC1 coverage actually a Gabby-free camera pointed exclusively at Brume?

                ...Because if not, then that could be part of the problem right there. Field events are so exciting. Gosh, with the ultra-HD cameras they use when they do point them at action,
                it is like you are sitting right next to Jasmin Sawyers by the runway - love it! But no. They are ignored.
                OK Ugen did not have a good day. But Sawyers did. And Brume and Acquah and many others involved are huge likeable characters who'd make any kid want to have a go.
                And as has been noted already here, the mJT was perhaps even more massive. Major global political engines whirring into gear. If India is going to be good at athletics now,
                then that is great, but it also means that Pakistan will _have_ to be good too.
                Its just so exciting, and literally anyone allowed to watch would find a hero to identify with.

                See a LJ or JT hero. Maybe _be_ a LJ or JT hero one day!

                ...But no. Let's listen to dirge after dirge. (Such Advances as Australia Fair had made were made by getting the kids inspired by action, not dodgy chunks of canned semiclassical musak.)

                </end rant>
                There was a iplayer feed showing the athletics uninterupted. It had Tim Hutchings, Katharine Merry, Stef Reid and rob Walker on comms. World feed I assume.

                You saw all the field events live, even when track races took priority there was an effort to try and keep people up to dae with field events.

                I think the BBC needs to refresh its athletics coverage. Get somebody in alongside Steve Backley to do the field events (now the previous guy can't do it). Use current or recently retired athletics more. Think i'm right in saying JEH is the only one from the past decade? Oh, and most importantly give priority to live events. Always. If you want features ànd long chats ask the bbc to give you more air time.

                I'll never forget a European Team Champs in Poland and the bbc bssically apologising for the home broadcaster showing too much of the field action...

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                • #26
                  Originally posted by PotterHoppo96 View Post
                  ...

                  I'll never forget a European Team Champs in Poland and the bbc bssically apologising for the home broadcaster showing too much of the field action...
                  LOL. "We wish we could send you back to Gabby and Colin for some inane chit-chat but the BBC haven't funded us for that this weekend." ??

                  I guess we have to thank our lucky stars we're not American. Their TV broadcasters really hate field events! What with ESPN and NBC going to ad breaks every 6 or 7 minutes, they're lucky if they get a 1-2-3 round-up of the field action. Often, it's just "the Women's Pole Vault took place earlier with Sandi Morris winning at 15 feet and whatever" - they then proceed to show that one vault.

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                  • #27
                    Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post

                    LOL. "We wish we could send you back to Gabby and Colin for some inane chit-chat but the BBC haven't funded us for that this weekend." ??

                    I guess we have to thank our lucky stars we're not American. Their TV broadcasters really hate field events! What with ESPN and NBC going to ad breaks every 6 or 7 minutes, they're lucky if they get a 1-2-3 round-up of the field action. Often, it's just "the Women's Pole Vault took place earlier with Sandi Morris winning at 15 feet and whatever" - they then proceed to show that one vault.
                    if the sport wants to grow in anerica maybe telling viewers there are more than 20 athletes to look out for would help

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                    • #28
                      So back on topic how does the shambles that is our field events get sorted?

                      Or is just too much like hard work with the limited resources available and we just hope that the odd talent will occasionally come along?

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                      • marra
                        marra commented
                        Editing a comment
                        I mean, is that not the general history of British athletics? We do consistently pretty well on the track and every so often we have a decent field eventer?

                    • #29
                      Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post

                      LOL. "We wish we could send you back to Gabby and Colin for some inane chit-chat but the BBC haven't funded us for that this weekend." ??

                      I guess we have to thank our lucky stars we're not American. Their TV broadcasters really hate field events! What with ESPN and NBC going to ad breaks every 6 or 7 minutes, they're lucky if they get a 1-2-3 round-up of the field action. Often, it's just "the Women's Pole Vault took place earlier with Sandi Morris winning at 15 feet and whatever" - they then proceed to show that one vault.
                      NBC's streaming service had dedicated streams for each field event at the WCs, as well as the choice of the world feed rather than the NBC feed. The TV broadcast can be pretty awful but the overall availability is decent. Was for the Olympics as well.

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                      • #30
                        Originally posted by marra View Post

                        NBC's streaming service had dedicated streams for each field event at the WCs, as well as the choice of the world feed rather than the NBC feed. The TV broadcast can be pretty awful but the overall availability is decent. Was for the Olympics as well.
                        Yeah, I was talking about theTV broadcasts they produce themselves for things like one-day mettings or the US Champs - the stuff I've watched online - rather than any world feeds they've made available online (where they have no control over the content).

                        Sorry, Ursus ... off-topic again!

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