UK Outdoors April 2022

[CAML]

Emerson's last comp was 20 months ago. Her last HJ and LJ were 3 years ago. There's no predicted trajectory from that.

[LoveSprints1]

Who is coaching her now with AM's ongoing suspension? Niamh is an amazing talent but who knows if she'll be able to come back in time for this year, after no competition for two years.

[RunUnlimited]

LoveSprints1 A good question. We have no idea what Niamh's coaching set up is now since Minichiello's suspension (the same, for that matter, with Jade O'Dowda or Ireland's hugely talented Kate O'Conner).

[jjimbojames]

According to Twitter, she’s entered for 200m, Shot and hurdles at BUCS next week

[Ursus]

Joe Dunderdale has gone to the top of the spear rankings with 75.37. Unbelievably that it is the first time since 2017 that we’ve had 2 75m throwers in the same year.

Dunderdale’s a perfect case in point. First threw 75 as a teenager in 2012. 76m PB dates back to 2014 and was by no means a freak throw. Looks to have competed pretty regularly over time bar 2020. Turns 30 at the end of the season. Why aren’t we talking about an 80m thrower here?

[RunUnlimited]

Joe Dunderdale has gone to the top of the spear rankings with 75.37. Unbelievably that it is the first time since 2017 that we’ve had 2 75m throwers in the same year.

Dunderdale’s a perfect case in point. First threw 75 as a teenager in 2012. 76m PB dates back to 2014 and was by no means a freak throw. Looks to have competed pretty regularly over time bar 2020. Turns 30 at the end of the season. Why aren’t we talking about an 80m thrower here?

Britain, apart from a relatively brief period during the late '70's into the late 90's when Backley, Hill, Roberson, Nieland, Bradstock, plus a couple of others, all came through on the scene at roughly the same time, has *never* been strong in the javelin.

That's the reason we're not talking about Dunderdale being an 80m thrower, because there isn't a recent backdrop of success to pull from for the current crop of javelin exponents to use. Plus it seems that hardly any of the former British legends, like Backley, ever got involved in coaching once their careers were over. Roberson does coach, but he's only ever coached *2* athletes according to Po10; Goldie Sayers and injury-blighted Harry Hughes. Also Mick Hill too, but none of those that he's coached so far have ever reached an elite level.

[Ursus]

This has to be a coaching issue - we haven’t got anyone who could have helped Dunderdale add less than 5 metres in a decade from teenage to peak years?? He’s far from alone - Pearson’s 74m PB was set at 19, ditto Pembroke’s 75m best while Harris’ 75m best was just after turning 20, Hunt’s 76m PB was set at 20, Parker’s 78m best at just 21 etc. Campbell was only 22 when he threw his 80m PB. There are obviously stories there particularly with Pembroke and it’s too early to say with the likes of Whiteaker and Hughes. But there’s been some decent talent around. Retention may have been an issue in some cases but improve the coaching so throwers keep improving and fulfilling their potential and that problem would reduce. Injuries can also be reduced by good coaching.

Going down our all time list Hill’s best came at 28, Roberson at 31, Nieland 28, Bradstock at 25, Luckwell at 26, Mackenzie at 30. Much more in peak years and what I’d expect although Backley was a bit of an outlier with his NR coming just before he turned 23.

80m these days will only just get you into the world top 60 and there are loads of countries represented at that level without any real legacy to draw on - last year’s 80m men included throwers from Trinidad, Moldova, Pakistan, Grenada, Spain, Egypt, Lithuania, Romania, Japan, China, Portugal, Venezuela, Turkey, Serbia and Belgium none of which are exactly Germany or Finland in legacy terms. It would be great to see our past greats involved more but that’s only a small part of the problem.

[treadwater1]

RunUnlimited an Northern Irish athlete Anna McCauley just missed the qualifying standard for the CWG last week, she’s being coached by John Lane who was under Minichellos wing for most of his career, so some of the group appear to have gone in that direction, not sure about Emerson

[drobbie]

why does this crap take so long, thats been a year minichello has been suspended with no update

[trickstat]

I can understand it taking a while as both sides need to be given some time to put together their cases but I would hope that it would take less than a year.

[jjimbojames]

I don’t know enough about this specific case, but I’d guess in general terms that all of the wider issues at UKA have also created a backlog on dealing with cases in the last year

[RunUnlimited]

Some U20 news via Ian Hodge's Twitter.... National U20 heptathlon champion Abigail Pawlett, who finished a creditable 7th at last year's European U20 championships, opens her season in Loughborough with a 14.18 100m hurdles and a substantial new PB in the shot put of 13.39m, a significant improvement on the 12.61m best she previously held, also from last year.

She turned 19 in January, so her focus will be on achieving the 5400 point standard for the World U20s in Cali, which should be well within her capabilities. In fact, these early season results could suggest that Pawlett might be set to make a fair improvement on the 5593 PB score she managed in Tallinn.

[jjimbojames]

Also courtesy of Ian - MHS improved to 44.61, behind Steven Gardiner running 44.22

[Occasional Hope]

This is very encouraging.

[RunUnlimited]

Training with very fast folks seems to make you go faster too... looks like someone might have been watching that AW get together of Black, Regis, Redmond and Akabusi from last year and taken some of that advice to heart.

[philipo]

Goodness, they are busy across the pond. A stack of great performances so early in the year. Have a look at t and f forum US results !!
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[treadwater1]

Equals the 2nd quickest time of MHSs career. Very good time from Gardiner for April

[Occasional Hope]

Nicole Yeargin takes the UK lead with 51.32, her 4th best time ever.

[Occasional Hope]

Ian Hodge reports very windy 9.98 for NMB and 11.00 for Imani Lansiquot.

[RunUnlimited]

MysteryBrick Yo what!?!

Yep, just checked the European Athletics website and when you click "All" in the wind reading column, it shows that Dobson did indeed run 19.99, aided by a +3.6m/s wind. Regardless that is a terrific result for Charlie... as is also the fact that he has managed more than one race this season!

[Occasional Hope]

Also very windy 10.02 for Edoburun and 10.10 for Harry AA.

[trevorp]

Crikey, that must have been some wind to blow Harry's mass to a 10.10.

[Occasional Hope]

14.43 European record for Eilish McColgan on the roads.

[Occasional Hope]

Rounded up to 14.45 so "only" a British record.

[carterhatch]

'@Rununlimited - looks like someone might have been watching that AW get together of Black, Regis, Redmond and Akabusi from last year and taken some of that advice to heart.


As I quoted, on another thread, Roger Black from that very interview, said '“If you want to now find the next great British 400m runner, he will be between the ages of 18 and 21 and he thinks he’s a 100m runner.”

[MysteryBrick]

Yeah, we went through a long period of forgetting that in order to be World Class over 400m you have to be absolutely rapid. A 21.5 200m just won't cut it, so it's unsurprising that in the season MHS is running 20.6 in the 200m he's back at PB level.

[RunUnlimited]

'@Rununlimited - looks like someone might have been watching that AW get together of Black, Regis, Redmond and Akabusi from last year and taken some of that advice to heart.


As I quoted, on another thread, Roger Black from that very interview, said '“If you want to now find the next great British 400m runner, he will be between the ages of 18 and 21 and he thinks he’s a 100m runner.”

So.... Toby Makoyawo?