2022 Outdoors

[Ursus]

Duplantis gives the crowd what they’d paid for 6.16

A superb world record.

(In my eyes 6.20 is the indoor world record not THE world record. Indoors and out are 2 very different disciplines in my book and we see how outdoor wind can really impact performances. I say this regularly but if a point’s worth making it’s worth making with a sledgehammer. And I really couldn’t care less if the rest of the world disagrees with me).

Mondo is as close as any athlete can be to being invincible.

[marra]

Completely agree. I was trying to work out why it wasn't a WR and then remembered the indoor marks. And then got annoyed. It's absurd.

[Grassmarket]

Yeah, indoors there is nothing to stop him trying for it twice a week. Outdoors, that was his only real chance in two months.

[trickstat]

I find it a little surprising that World Athletics doesn't separate them just for the fact that I would have thought they would like the sport to have the publicity of more world records. It also leads to a bit of a mess because some countries follow WA's lead on this and others don't. For what it's worth, it may be the case that the perfect conditions for PV are warm and sunny with a steady breeze on the vaulter's back but getting this combination is vanishingly rare. I would say it is much easier to churn out competition after competition at a decent height indoors. Also on HJ it's sometimes possible to start your run-up with a couple of steps down a banked track.

Saying that if someone jumped further in the LJ or TJ indoors that for me would be the absolute world record but it's rather unlikely.

[marilyn1]

A superb world record.

(In my eyes 6.20 is the indoor world record not THE world record. Indoors and out are 2 very different disciplines in my book and we see how outdoor wind can really impact performances. I say this regularly but if a point’s worth making it’s worth making with a sledgehammer. And I really couldn’t care less if the rest of the world disagrees with me).

Mondo is as close as any athlete can be to being invincible.

Ooh! Aaronk is going to hate you.

[Aussiestatman]

Japan chooses their athletes for Worlds. Interest, i guess, mostly in distance events.

https://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2022/07/japans-final-team-for-oregon-2022-world.html

[Grassmarket]

Just watching the Morton Games - sadly the Irish Universities 4x400m did not live up to previous versions of the event. 😀

However the 16x100m Schools Mile Relay is always worth watching

[DerbyCountyinNZ]

Ooh! Aaronk is going to hate you.

Which is worth a bonus point on its own!

[Ladyloz]

44.58 for Wayde Van Niekerk in US last night. Not near his best but some signs he could at least get to the final at Worlds.

[RunUnlimited]

Am I right in saying that's Wayde's first full and completed 400m race in almost a year or something like that?

[Ladyloz]

Certainly looks like his first race in 2022

[LuckySpikes]

He started a 200 in Trieste at the end of May but pulled up after about 50m.

[marilyn1]

Some poster elsewhere states he ran sub 45 last year and did nothing at Tokyo. His glory days were 6 years ago, dont see them returning.

[LuckySpikes]

Kenyan team named for Eugene - https://worldathletics.org/competiti...ya-team-oregon

Jamaican team too - https://www.worldathletics.org/compe...ca-team-oregon

[Occasional Hope]

Adele Tracey down for the double.

[LuckySpikes]

At the Resisprint International in La Chaux-de-Fonds:

M 100 (+1.6): 1 Yupun Abeykoon (SRI) 9.96 NR, 2 Reynier Mena (CUB) 9.99, 3 Michael Zeze (FRA) 10.00
M 200 (+1.5): 1 Mena 19.63 NR, 2 Michael Zeze 19.97, 3 Tortu 20.15
M 400: 1 Makwala 45.03
W 100 (+1.2): Diana Vaisman (ISR) 11.06 NR, 2 Schippers 11.13
W 200 (+0.2): Maisilingi 22.29, 2 Line Kloster (NOR) 22.51
W 400: 1 Kielbasinska 50.31
W 400H: 1 Line Kloster (NOR) 53.91, NR by 0.81s

Full results: https://slv.laportal.net/Competitions/Details/7558

[RunUnlimited]

Yeah... Not gonna take much notice of these results to be honest.

Apart from Mena, Masilingi, Kloster and Kielbasinka, who have all run fast times at sea level, I'm not buying what La Chaux-de-Fonds is selling. And even with the likes of Mena, he'd run a 100m and 200m best of 10.14 and 20.04 before his trip to Switzerland, so making such a dramatic drop down sub 10 and seriously sub 20 seconds, is stretching credibility to the limits.

Being just a couple of feet below the cut off point that determines if a venue is at "altitude" or not, really makes the results from there very unreliable.

I'd be *shocked* if the likes of Zeze, Vaisman, or Mena, got close to those times ever again, if they raced elsewhere, let alone at Heyward Field.

[Occasional Hope]

Mena won't be at worlds this year anyway, he is changing allegiance from Cuba to Portugal, and will have to serve out the waiting period.

[Ladyloz]

Chaux de Fonds up to it's usual nonsense I see.

[RunUnlimited]

Yep.

If I was the holder of the Cuban men's 200m record, I'd be seriously pissed off that it was shattered in such a bogus athletics venue. Just a couple of feet separate Chaux-de-Fonds from being considered at altitude, and yet it's treated like other venues that are at sea level or close to it. Ridiculous.

[trickstat]

Worth pointing out that altitude doesn't invalidate records but just means that most ranking lists put a big A next to it.

[Runner88]

Outliers like these can mess up heats and semis at the champs too

[marilyn1]

Track and field is full of surprises, like Jefferson who was last I recall at the NCAA 100m and won the Trials or my fave, Camel who went from 20.96 to 20.00 second in such a short time. Chaux de fonds is a bit of a crazy place, admittedly.

[Over50yrsofwatching]

As a retired meteorologist it is not altitude that assists performance but the air pressure at the venue. This varies with the weather. The air pressure at Chaux de fonds for the meeting was c905mb, ie c90% of the oxygen affecting air resistance normally at most sea level venues. How much this improves performance I do not know, but it must have a huge beneficial effect for sprinters.
For record purposes it would make more sense to record the track side air pressure rather than altitude, not difficult, even in retrospect. I would suggest c970mb at track side being a lower limit. I would also suggest track side air pressure is as important to record as wind speed.

PS I am a new poster, I have watched either in person, or more usually on TV, every major meeting since 1964, except the 2007 WC when I was overlanding between Nairobi and Cape Town. That is the sum total of my athletic expertise, for what it is worth.

[trickstat]

Interesting stuff and welcome to the forum.

[Occasional Hope]

Yes - fascinating insight!

[marilyn1]

Whilst some poster talks of bogus athletics venues, one is aware of other venues which Americans boast about, e.g. Chula Vista is a laugh a minute for the discus throwers. If you credit all those famously fast sprint times in Florida, like Clermont, that's your bag. Chaux de fonds is high for sure, but is it an A or not acc to the WA.

[trevorp]

Are/were there any British venues that cause raised eyebrows? I can certainly think of individual anomalous performances - Montell Douglas 10.95w/11.05NR at Loughborough in 2008 being the one that comes first to mind - but haven't though about any particular track.

[Occasional Hope]

We certainly don't have the weather for it.

[treadwater1]

Arop ran 1:43.61 winning by two seconds to go 3rd in the world over the weekend. 1:44.39 the previous weekend at the Canadian trials

[Occasional Hope]

He'll definitely be a contender in Eugene.

[treadwater1]

I’ve thought Arop could be a factor in previous years, but it never materialised, so let’s see. It could make for a very interesting final with Burgin and Arop preferring that front running still (if they both make it through unscathed)