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  • Originally posted by Occasional Hope View Post
    Ostrava is always a great meeting and this was no exception. (Although I hope no one deaf was relying on the closed captioning; at least Jenny Meadows only mangles the names.)

    The women's 200 looks like it's heading to the place the 800 was in a few years ago.
    Yes, I was surprised nobody mentioned that in the commentary. It was always ridiculous that intersex (DSD) athletes were only seen as having an advantage in the limited range of Women's 400m-mile, not any other event.

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    • Originally posted by LoveSprints1 View Post

      Yes, I was surprised nobody mentioned that in the commentary. It was always ridiculous that intersex (DSD) athletes were only seen as having an advantage in the limited range of Women's 400m-mile, not any other event.
      I think it was just a question of having sufficient data. There were 3 highly dominant DSD athletes in the 800 - for 2-3 years nearly always finishing 1-2-3 in DL meetings and in the top 4 of global championships. I think for WA to make their case at CAS for the 200 to be included in the regulations, it might need Mboma, Seyni and Masilingi to consistently be 3 of the top 4 or 5 in the 200.

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      • Interesting commentary from Hutchings in the men's 100m. The first time he mentions Prescod's name is when he's 10m over the finish line. Jenny may get the names wrong, but at least she knows they're in the race.

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        • Originally posted by CAML View Post
          Interesting commentary from Hutchings in the men's 100m. The first time he mentions Prescod's name is when he's 10m over the finish line. Jenny may get the names wrong, but at least she knows they're in the race.
          I think that was because Hutchings (much like everyone else) wasn't expecting Prescod to charge through like he did in the latter stages of the race, especially considering his distinct lack of form leading into this race.

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          • CAML
            CAML commented
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            Prescod had one of his better starts and was very much in the race from the midway point. I think only Hutchings agent or Mum would say Tim wasn't at fault.

        • Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post

          I think it was just a question of having sufficient data. There were 3 highly dominant DSD athletes in the 800 - for 2-3 years nearly always finishing 1-2-3 in DL meetings and in the top 4 of global championships. I think for WA to make their case at CAS for the 200 to be included in the regulations, it might need Mboma, Seyni and Masilingi to consistently be 3 of the top 4 or 5 in the 200.
          It's not just about specific events and it never was. It was incredibly shortsighted not to understand that higher levels of testosterone are advantageous across *every* event. They focussed on Caster Semenya to take her out. It is bizarre that the field events have not been studied. I saw footage of Caster messing around with the long jump. Looked as if with training she would easily reach 8 metres. Meanwhile former 800m runner Francine NIYONSABA is dominating the 3k - 14 seconds ahead of Faith Kipyegon.

          Who decided testosterone had a cut-off point and did not impact across all events?

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          • Lots to unpack from Ostrava but i thought Girma was fantastic, that time puts him 12th all time, with only El Bakkali slightly ahead of him of those that ar currently active at 21 years of age.

            I’d barely heard of Wanyonyi and never heard of Moula but they were both impressive. The Algerian was 7th and 8 metres down with 100 to go

            Kaczmarek 50.16, which is considerably faster than JSE and the other top poles of recent years have run

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            • Good HJ comp going on at the Filothei Women Gala near Athens.

              So far ...
              Angelina Topic has jumped 1.95 (a 4cm PB)! She's still only 16 (turns 17 next month). Of course, she has the HJ'ing genes!
              Eleftheria Christogeorgou (GRE), 1.93 (a 6cm PB!) & Marija Vukovic 1.93 - both also on their 1.95 attempts.

              Then the TV broadcast finished and there doesn't seem to be any live results!

              Pole Vault also ongoing with Sefanidi over 4.64 so far. Caudery only over 4.39.

              Kristal Awuah won the 100 in 11.40.

              LJ: 1 Rotaru-Kottmann 6.64, 2 Karydi 6.53

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              • Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post
                Good HJ comp going on at the Filothei Women Gala near Athens.

                So far ...
                Angelina Topic has jumped 1.95 (a 4cm PB)! She's still only 16 (turns 17 next month). Of course, she has the HJ'ing genes!
                Eleftheria Christogeorgou (GRE), 1.93 (a 6cm PB!) & Marija Vukovic 1.93 - both also on their 1.95 attempts.

                Then the TV broadcast finished and there doesn't seem to be any live results!
                Angelina Topic finished with 1.95, as did Vukovic who equalled her PB & NR.

                That's a Serbian NR for Topic and she also equals the age 16 world record (which was set indoors). She's now joint 5th with Mahooch on the World all-time U18 list. The U18 WR is 1cm higher, shared by 4 athletes including Patterson & Cunningham.

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                • Letsile Tebogo’s WJR has been rejected for ratification because of issues over the starting gun. Also not accepted the Jamaican women’s 4x1 WJR because they neglected to do all the drugs tests.

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                  • 80.14 for Bigot in mHT which, amazingly, is only good enough for 5th on the French all time lists. Must have been a vintage era in 2000 / 01 when the top 4 marks were set.


                    Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post
                    Indian spear-chucking continues to rise!

                    Last week at the Indian Grand Prix meeting in Bhubaneswar, 20yo Yashvir Singh threw 82.13 to become the 12th Indian to throw over 80m.

                    In 2022 alone there's been 3 new members of the Indian 80m club. One of those, Rohit Yadav (also 20), threw 80.88 at this meeting.
                    The Chopra effect maybe and all were born in the same years that the French hammer throwers were doing their stuff, so plenty of time to improve. In contrast only Helander from traditional powerhouse Finland has scraped 80m after looking for all the world like a 90m man in the making a few years ago. Things change.

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                    • At the Meeting De Montreuil, an exciting men's 400m hurdles ended with a French victory as Ludvy Vailliant just out-dipped 2016 Olympic bronze medallist and 2016 European Champion, Yasmani Copello, and fellow Frenchman and current European U23 400m hurdles champion, Wilfred Happio*, on the line, getting a 49.10 SB as a result, while the other two clocked 49.11, also season's bests. In fact, everyone down to 7th place recorded their best times of the year so far and also went sub-50 seconds.

                      A few minutes later, Diribe Welteji, who ran so well in Ostrava just a couple of days ago, went sub 4 minutes again in the 1500m, running a 3:59.48 meeting record and well clear of the rest of the field.
                      Fellow Ethiopian Mebrhit Mekonen, just 17, came 2nd with 4:03.60 SB, while 3rd and 4th places went to the Germans Katarina Trost (4:04.29 PB) and Konstanze Klosterhalfen (4:04.60) who is continuing her comeback from injury.

                      (*Correction: As pointed out by LuckySpikes, Wilfred Happio was the European U23 champion over the 400m hurdles in 2019, not in 2021. My bad!)
                      Last edited by RunUnlimited; 03-06-22, 10:36.

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                      • Genzebe Dibaba's days on the track are over I think. DNF'ing in a not hugely fast 5000 tonight in Montreuil, she hasn't run a good track race since July 2019. Maybe she can carve out a good career on the roads? She ran that 65:15 Half in December 2020.

                        Elsewhere at this meeting, in his season's debut at 800 Olympic Champ Emmanuel Korir was well beaten into 6th, over a second behind winner Collins Kipruto, 1:45.23. Algeria's Slimane Moula was finishing like a train again but couldn't quite nab 2nd.
                        Last edited by LuckySpikes; 02-06-22, 22:46.

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                        • Originally posted by Ursus View Post
                          80.14 for Bigot in mHT which, amazingly, is only good enough for 5th on the French all time lists. Must have been a vintage era in 2000 / 01 when the top 4 marks were set.




                          The Chopra effect maybe and all were born in the same years that the French hammer throwers were doing their stuff, so plenty of time to improve. In contrast only Helander from traditional powerhouse Finland has scraped 80m after looking for all the world like a 90m man in the making a few years ago. Things change.
                          They’ve got a decent female javelin thrower too, Rani, she’s thrown a national record already this year 63.82

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                          • Originally posted by RunUnlimited View Post
                            ... and current European U23 400m hurdles champion, Wilfred Happio ...
                            Ooh, a rare incorrect factoid from RunUnlimited.

                            Happio was the 2019 U23 champion. Sibilio (ITA) is the current (2021) champion.

                            Two of them actually! ... Katharina Trost's 4:04.29 was a PB not SB.

                            There's a crack in the armour!
                            Last edited by LuckySpikes; 03-06-22, 10:02.

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                            • Originally posted by LuckySpikes View Post

                              Ooh, a rare incorrect factoid from RunUnlimited.

                              Happio was the 2019 U23 champion. Sibilio (ITA) is the current (2021) champion.

                              Two of them actually! ... Katharina Trost's 4:04.29 was a PB not SB.

                              There's a crack in the armour!
                              D'oh! I knew he was the U23 champ, but forgot the year he'd done it! (Which is inexcusable, since I watched the whole thing live on the excellent European Athletics streams of the 2019 and 2021 events!)

                              As for the Trost one, well in my defence, the results site did flash up that it was a season's best, so I went along with what they showed. Again, I'll correct that error too.

                              Thanks for catching my error Lucky, I'll edit the comment immediately.
                              Last edited by RunUnlimited; 03-06-22, 10:36.

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