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    Rana Reider under investigation and British athletes told to ‘cease all association’ with him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...conduct-claims

  • #2
    This on top of the drugs bust of Blessing doesnt look good

    I think Lina and Lavia have just joined that group also?

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    • Ladyloz
      Ladyloz commented
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      Lina was working with him since beginning of 2021. Laviai was working with Christine Bowmaker up until this summer so her planned involvement may be new, although things may change now.

      Of course it's a fairly open secret as to why British Athletics originally let him go back in 2014 - so this US investigation regarding sexual misconduct is not surprising in that light.

      And for likes of Gemili & Christian Taylor may not be wise to continue associating with him in view of their heavy involvement with The Athletics Association.
      Last edited by Ladyloz; 03-11-21, 13:24.

    • LoveSprints1
      LoveSprints1 commented
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      Yes Ladyloz am surprised they allowed British athletes to work with him at all considering the situation you allude to and we all know! A little bit of NIMBY but alright if you do it overseas!

  • #3
    Originally posted by Stew-Coach View Post
    This on top of the drugs bust of Blessing doesnt look good

    I think Lina and Lavia have just joined that group also?
    I think Lina and Lavia will now go into the record books for the quickest end to a coaching relationship! Wonder if they will stay in the US or return.

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    • #4
      I wish I knew what that 2014 scenario was! I'm guessing there was a relationship with an athlete?

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      • Porkinson
        Porkinson commented
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        I dunno the rules about posting rumours, but one of the first comments here will tell you who

        https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_r...hread=10938388

      • Paps
        Paps commented
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        Some ugly stuff on that thread Porkinson. Makes me appreciate this forum all the more!

      • Porkinson
        Porkinson commented
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        Agreed Paps!

        Although I feel it's sometimes useful to sample in appropriate doses, just to remind oneself those viewpoints exist.

        There is also some useful knowledge and insight there in general, if you're prepared to brave it and form your own opinions.

    • #5
      Athletes standing ground

      https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...cs-over-reider

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      • Paps
        Paps commented
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        I imagine that Gemili is means tested out of the money and not sure he'd benefit from the medical support due to geography. UKA may not have much leverage over him.

      • larkim
        larkim commented
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        Nonetheless, it's not good publicity to be standing firm in the face of someone being investigated for the sorts of allegations being put to RR. A carefully worded statement which says that they "understand the severity of the investigation" but have "never seen or heard anything which would have raised concerns" for them, d"ue process" etc etc, "better to temporarily make alternative training arrangements until the investigations are concluded" etc would be wise; otherwise they could find themselves continuing to be associated with a coach who has serious findings against them. But it keeps open the door for a return. They've got to be ultra careful that they don't appear to be doubting the source of the claims as that could make them look like apologists.

      • Occasional Hope
        Occasional Hope commented
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        I think they're being a bit silly. Daryll is very young still, but Adam really ought to know better.

    • #6
      I did consider creating a new thread to gather together news on coaches banned or under investigation as such news seems to be accumalating ...

      Athletics coach John Lees given lifetime ban

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/59338126

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      • #7
        What's the latest on Tony Minicello?

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      • #8
        Adam and Laviai staying with Reider and off funding; Daryll has left the group.

        Laviai Nielsen and Adam Gemili removed from UK Athletics' World Class Programme after opting to stay with coach Rana Reider - BBC Sport

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        • #9
          Originally posted by Occasional Hope View Post
          no formal charges according to the article, he had worked wonders with neita, hopefully this wont backfire

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          • #10
            Originally posted by drobbie View Post

            no formal charges according to the article, he had worked wonders with neita, hopefully this wont backfire
            Think the only backfire may hit the two athletes who have opted to remain with a man facing numerous allegations of sexual misconduct. Neita has made the right decision. Not sure why Laviai staying when she has only just moved out. Surely other options are available or she feels Reider is her career saviour after her indifferent year.
            Last edited by LoveSprints1; 03-12-21, 18:47.

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            • #11
              Originally posted by LoveSprints1 View Post

              Think the only backfire may hit the two athletes who have opted to remain with a man facing numerous allegations of sexual misconduct. Neita has made the right decision. Not sure why Laviai staying when she has only just moved out. Surely other options are available or she feels Reider is her career saviour after her indifferent year.
              are they as good, reider has not been charged with anything

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              • #12
                Surprised the papers are only just picking up on this, Rana Reider and “affair” with 18 year old, 26 years his junior. I hope she is now being supported in a way she wasn’t then 😔.

                https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...nter-nd86qxj32

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                • #13
                  Originally posted by LoveSprints1 View Post
                  Surprised the papers are only just picking up on this, Rana Reider and “affair” with 18 year old, 26 years his junior. I hope she is now being supported in a way she wasn’t then 😔.

                  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...nter-nd86qxj32

                  Only taken 7 years or so.

                  UK Athletics were certainly negligent at the time, especially with regards to a then young athlete. They were quite happy to move the problem elsewhere. I also don't buy any protestations from the Dutch Federation. Would not have taken too much due diligence to get to the truth.

                  And surprised the press are only just running with this. I remember when he left British Athletics there was a lot of articles at the time expressing a lot of surprise that he had been let go. If I as a fan with no insider contacts had heard these rumours then I struggle to believe journalists weren't aware.

                  Puts a little more pressure on athletes remaining with him. Adam has just been re-elected to the BOA athletes commission for another term and with his role in the global Athletics Association it's not a great look. Same is true for Christian Taylor who heads that up - I understand he must feel incredible loyalty to Reider who has coached him since his college days and through all his triumphs & probably wants him in his corner whilst he comes back from his achilles injury. But it really isn't a great look to stand by Reider at present.

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                  • Laps
                    Laps commented
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                    It seems to me that Messrs Gemili and Taylor are old enough and wise enough to make their own decisions on this. Other than what I have read in the press I do not know anything about Reider's 'charge sheet'. However the fact that athletes are standing by him is to me more a cause for reassurance than irritation that he hasn't been charged with something yet. The tendency for some to use rumoured allegations as a reason to suspend, sack and cancel is a woke tactic to be resisted. Putting pressure on the likes of Gemili and Taylor is attempted punishment by proxy.

                  • LoveSprints1
                    LoveSprints1 commented
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                    Laps here's a reminder of the definition of WOKE:

                    "Alert to injustice in society, especially racism" Please don't misuse the word.

                    Not sure where you've been for the past few years not to know / have heard 'rumours' of his charge sheet. Whatever happens on the US front, a 44-year-old man contracted to British Athletics was 'allegedly' having sex with an 18-year-old athlete in his charge. It was wrong then and it's wrong in any circumstances for someone in a position of power to abuse it. Everyone knew about it, most on this forum, know who she is. She wasn't protected by UKA and it's 'alleged' these behaviours continued elsewhere. We are all waiting to learn the outcome of the investigations and it might be that he is cleared. However, as a parent of athletes and as a coach at this point I wouldn't want my young adult female offspring within a mile of such allegations, or my sons around an environment where such behaviour was potentially normalised.

                    As you said Christian and Adam are adults and will make their own choices, but respect to Darryl Neita, as an athlete on the up, for whom Reider has made a difference, for doing, IMO, the right thing and moving away from Reider whilst the investigation is ongoing.

                • #14
                  LoveSprints1 I am fully aware of the definition of woke. It's the past of wake.
                  The modern use of the word by some to mean "Alert to injustice in society, especially racism" has become politicised and harnessed to justify all sorts of actions and bids for power for which there is no consensus in the UK. One group's interests have been pitted against another group or the rest of us supposedly in the cause of social justice. Some of it is frankly madness. Examples of that would include the Labour Party apparently now intimidated out of saying the word woman, actors accused of misappropriation when playing almost anyone but themselves, eminent scientists in New Zealand currently under attack by their own scientific community for respectfully defending science, because their words might upset Maori's...... I could go on as there is a long list of madness resulting from woke ideology. To top it all some prominent areas of woke activism are of themselves deeply racist or unjust.

                  It is noticeable that the Woke often demand people use words in the way they decide and seek to silence those who disagree or offend them. Sorry I will use the word woke anyway I choose.
                  As for safeguarding (the subject of this thread), safe spaces and many other aspects of safety are becoming detached from reality. Beyond the point which is practical, enforceable or desirable.


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                  • trickstat
                    trickstat commented
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                    While I think you have made some good points there, I cannot see how any of it has anything whatsoever to do with the topic being discussed.

                • #15
                  Well said laps. My copious response to your post is unapproved

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