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  • treadwater1
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    It looks more like Symington was poached by BC rather than being pushed out going by the hastily put out press statement from UKA earlier today. Out of the frying pan and into the fire if you ask me, I can’t see how she will avoid the level of scrutiny she got at the helm of UKA, Symington being a cycling person may help with the transition though
    Last edited by treadwater1; 21-10-21, 23:04.

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  • philipo
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    Hurrah.. the failures are gone. What other nobodies are we going to see. Could there be some males appointed??

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  • carterhatch
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    another related article to this turn of events...

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ritish-cycling

    I like the fact that a proper athlete is mentioned as one possible candidate for CEO - Jack Buckner - who has presided over the rise of UK Swimming.

    How Ms. Symington can resign her post on Wednesday and 'start imminently' in a new role with British Cycling is a question i would ask ...

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  • carterhatch
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    Thought we should discuss this ...

    UK Athletics chief Joanna Coates and performance director Sara Symington resign



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/59003613


    Seems that ever so blatant pair of 'PC' appointments went well...


    Indeed a couple of days ago I read this article, but didnt post any response on the forum, but thought the quotes from Ms. Symington less than encouraging...

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...sara-symington
    Last edited by carterhatch; 21-10-21, 22:19.

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  • trickstat
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    The back straight at Bedford is mainly grass banking where you could plausibly have quite a few more than 3 deep standing.

    Another plausible venue is Ashford. While it is not exactly central for the rest of the UK it is very accessible for the near parts of the Continent.

  • LuckySpikes
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    WACT regulations (PDF) - https://www.worldathletics.org/downl...%20Regulations

  • LuckySpikes
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    Originally posted by sidelined View Post
    Who organises those Continental Tour meetings? Is it NGBs, or independent operators?
    Sometimes they're the brainchild of independent groups/companies and sometimes they're initiated by the national federation (and then probrably contracted out). Even if they're the former, they probably have to get the go-ahead from the national federation before applying to be a Continental Tour meeting.

    For example, the 8 Continental Tour meetings gained by the USA this year were obviously initiated by their national federation, a) to provide more domestic opportunities in the run-up to Tokyo and b) to help promote the sport before the Eugene World Championships next year.

    Either way, there's a set of criteria that have to be met for each level of meeting, e.g., regarding facilities and how the meeting is run. I've linked to those regulations in the comments.

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  • sidelined
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    Who organises those Continental Tour meetings? Is it NGBs, or independent operators?

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  • LuckySpikes
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    Originally posted by Stew-Coach View Post
    We do have some good "stadiums" that could be used, Manchester, Gateshead, Crystal palace and even the Birmingham warm up track eventually to name a few with decent stands that IMO could hold domestically orientated CT events to help get our athletes racing each other (good quality) and get the points that keeps them in the mix for ranking derived places.
    Loughborough and Bedford too. What about Cardiff Met (I don't know much about that one) ? I've watched plenty of Bronze CT meetings where there's just one stand along the home straight. WA do specify a minimum capacity of 5000 for Bronze & Silver meetings but I'm sure that's been waived in a few cases (e.g., the Budapest GP meeting last month). Or maybe i'm underestimating how many you can fit in a stadium with a small grandstand and standing 2 or 3 deep all around the other parts?

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  • Stew-Coach
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    As I progress my own coaching pathway and my athletes develop and improve, we have to consider where to race not just for quality but also where can points be gained. Can easily put a decent quality race on in the UK anywhere, but without the license level that comes with a CT event they can easily be 70pts down on competitors in Europe and the USA.

    Its not a massive thing in the grand scheme of things but it is an issue with unfunded athletes who cant quickly/easily get on the circuit (even the NCAA circuit has better licensing and points than 99% of UK events). and actually due to the timeframe of the points system an athlete who perhaps was decent 2 years ago can still rank higher than an up and coming athlete due to the availability of races and points system.

    We do have some good "stadiums" that could be used, Manchester, Gateshead, Crystal palace and even the Birmingham warm up track eventually to name a few with decent stands that IMO could hold domestically orientated CT events to help get our athletes racing each other (good quality) and get the points that keeps them in the mix for ranking derived places.

    Does need to be addressed
    (i know the article and thread is aimed at the performance structure and coaching but I focus on me and mine)

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  • fchd
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    One of the reason for the lack of Continental Tour events compared to our European neighbours is that in many parts of Europe the local football stadium is also an athletics stadium. In the UK that is pretty much anathema to the football side of the fence with the argument (which has some validity to be fair) that that then puts the football fans too far from the action.

    In England, after West Ham/London Stadium, the next highest football club to have a track is Gateshead in the sixth tier (National League North) and they seldom attract more than a few hundred fans.

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  • Laps
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    Accepting the money was a climbdown as a read of this article from April will show - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-big-july-meet

    Filling Birmingham's 18,000 would be beyond the numbers an Anniversary Games could attract these days imo. Unless ticket prices were significantly reduced or a new GB star is born. I watched the crowd dwindle at the Olympic Stadium each successive year after 2016 as the Olympic magic faded with no Bolt to bolster numbers any more. Of course there might be Championships which could attract more in the distant future. For now it is a massive capacity bound to be wasted with costs to the taxpayer which many outside the sport will think unjustified for one poorly attended event.

  • Ladyloz
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    UK Athetics did get a 7 figure settlement out of the LLDC so they didn't 'cave in' completely and was probably the best result for both parties in the end for this year, avoiding a messy court case which UKA would have surely won due to having a watertight contract.

    Time will tell what happens in the future but to me it wouldn't make financial sense for UKA to give up their contract for the Olympic Stadium. The post Commonwealth Games capacity in Birmingham is 18000, Olympic Stadium is 3 times that so in terms of ticket revenue why would they give that extra revenue up?

  • larkim
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    2021 continental tour meetings by country
    Country Count
    BEL 2
    CAN 1
    CRO 1
    CZE 2
    DEN 1
    ESP 2
    FIN 2
    FRA 4
    GER 3
    GRE 2
    HUN 3
    ITA 2
    JPN 2
    KAZ 1
    KEN 1
    NED 1
    NOR 1
    POL 3
    SUI 4
    SVK 1
    SWE 3
    USA 8
    Grand Total 50

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  • trickstat
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    Originally posted by Stew-Coach View Post
    But I have always found it strange/annoying the lack of Continental Tour meetings in the UK, not even a bronze! a nice easy way to get our athletes to compete domestically at a slightly higher than national level, little bit of cash and points to be gained.
    This is particularly helpful for those athletes who don't get that much good competition at a domestic level but aren't currently quite at the level to get into a Diamond League. They may be able to get into a Continental Tour meeting, but they may not be able do to too many of those for various reasons e.g. travel costs eroding prize money/fees, fitting around a part-time job they may do. This is true of a large number of athletes with the possible exception of those who specialise at 100, 200, 800 and 1500, where domestic competition is relatively strong.
    Last edited by trickstat; 15-09-21, 14:51.

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