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Maybe Morgan could try the TJ again?
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That would be interesting. Last year on the Backstraight Boys and Girl podcast she spoke about a possible return to Multi events. Indoors would be a good starting point, but she was never a swift sprinter. I hope she gives a pentathlon a go. -
She always said she wanted to do one more, but that was when the HJ looked to be going somewhere. Might be more open to other options but I suspect she thinks she’s a world-class finalist again, so why change…
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So, reading through the rulebook it is, unsurprisingly, full of contradictions and loopholes. Like, it says in part that if you've received podium support in the past you shouldn't be considered for Podium Potential. I think that's utterly daft - someone can have a barren few years where their performance does not justify support but then can turn that around in the right environment.
Also, the doesn't take into account things like NCAA, pregnancy and what safeguards are there re funding or other things that can impact. This is just what I would do if I were in charge, trying to fulfill the central goal given of a medal at either Paris or LA.
My own criteria added - I want us to be challenging for a medal in all relays, so I want some support there for the M 4x400m, even if the times don't deserve it. There are some athletes with potential who could be added to this list next year but I would prefer to see progression before I do. Equally there are some athletes who are unlucky that they compete in events where we have depth - people like Melissa Courtney-Bryant who is a perfectly good runner but we already would be funding 5 people whose 1500m PB is better.
Olympic Podium (16)
Zharnel Hughes
Adam Gemili
Reece Prescod - IF he agrees to a closely monitored plan, developed with him - his own words are that he wasn't focused etc. That can't continue if he wants to be funded.
Dina Asher-Smith
Daryll Neita
Jodie Williams
Josh Kerr
Jake Wightman
Laura Muir
Keely Hodgkinson
Jemma Reekie
Eilish McColgan
Callum Hawkins
Holly Bradshaw
Nick Miller
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Olympic Podium Potential (31)
Elliot Giles
Daniel Rowden
Oliver Dustin
Max Burgin
Jamie Webb
Jake Heyward
Charlie Da’Vall Grice
Alex Bell
Sarah McDonald
Andrew Pozzi
Lizzie Bird
Aimee Pratt
Laura Weightman
Marc Scott
Andrew Butchart
Tom Bosworth
Callum Wilkinson
Harry Coppell
Morgan Lake
Emily Borthwick
Lorraine Ugen
Abigail Irozuru
Jazmin Sawyers
Naomi Ogbeta
Tom Gale
Scott Lincoln
Sophie McKinna
Taylor Campbell
Tim Duckworth
Niamh Emerson
Holly Mills
Olympic Relays (21)
Asha Philip
Imani-Lara Lansiquot
Beth Dobbin
Kristal Awuah
Desiree Henry
CJ Ujah
Richard Kilty
Nethaneel Mitchell-Blake
Laviai Nielsen
Hannah Williams
Nicole Yeargin
Zoey Clark
Emily Diamond
Jessie Knight
Ama Pipi
Cameron Chalmers
Matthew Hudson-Smith - same as Prescod - there is clear talent there, not being tapped properly.
Ed Faulds
Joe Brier
Charlie Dobson
Chris McAlisterComment
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This is a pretty good stab at what might happen in October when the next two years of athletes are chosen. From experience older athletes, those 30 and above who are not medalling could be in trouble. Also as they are looking towards 2024 expect to see our u23's and possibly u20's featuring. Tade Ojoro looks to have a chance at 110HH. Romell Glave if eligible looks a prospect with his windy 9.97 and Jeremiah Azu 10.19 (euro u23 gold). I would expect 10-15 u23's / u20's to feature as they are the most likely to improve the most with the right support. One slight nitpick with your selection is Chris McAlister who would not add anything to a 4x400 and there are currently 31 athletes better than him based on his pb (not seasons best which is even slower). -
The youngsters normally go on Futures funding, and Faulds has one more year as an U20, I think.
Chris is not Jessie - his flat speed (whilst likely quicker than his PB suggests) is not as good as his strength, but it’s improving. I think a few too many on the W4x400 list and maybe Dobbin either switches events or comes off, when you think the likes of Hunt, Awuah, Henry at full health will all be ahead of her, unless she does a Kilty and owns the bend.
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I tried to stick clear of the youngsters for the time being. I made an exception for Faulds because I want us to be seriously targetting the 4x400m from next year onwards and, frankly, he's already in our top 5 for that relay on time. No harm getting them prepped.
With both Chris and Jessie I used a bit of 'creative accounting' - they are on the relay funding to be there if needed but really I wanted to support them in their individual event primarily. I just couldn't really justify it on performance alone right now.
As for the numbers on the relay lists - I've actually reduced it slightly from where it is now. So I doubt it will be much different. There's a few names on the podium potential list (Butchart, Webb, Ugen etc) that you could make an argument for and against for sure.
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re Reece Prescod: It may be that the current set up will indeed work out for him (although it didn't stop him false starting, what, three times in Tokyo? - yes, I know, early days, but...) But I don't think it's unreasonable that it should be at least looked at closely.Last edited by Occasional Hope; 11-08-21, 00:42.Comment
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I agree Occasional Hope. @ Paps, I am not suggesting Prescod physically move again, or that Christian Malcolm, micro manage his daily coaching, but I do think having a greater input in terms of mentoring, given that he too was a sprinter of great talent (probably the most easy-on-the-eye, 'floating' type I ever witnessed), rather than a cool detached, variation on a jobsworth. Prescod and MHS, are gfited individuals, they both seem to be failing by whats going on in their head and not by any lack of physiology, Malcolm should be saying that both these can not fail on my watch, and no stone will be left unturned, otherwise we have squandered yet more talent. (ps, I would also have Reece return to 200s, and 100s only a supportive secondary aim) ...
As I write this I also wonder what is the situation with Ojie Edoburun, another talented sprinter that we can not afford to caste aside...Last edited by carterhatch; 11-08-21, 07:59.Comment
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That is welcome news about Ojie, SprintRelayFan, I remember reading a blog post he had written and being very impressed as well as quite prescient.
[search Ojie Edoburun 'The Transition'] - oh and I note he has never run a competitve 400, just saying! -
He's always struck me as a very mature/focused young man - I think the wind was only 2.4 or something as well. Off to read the blog now
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Thanks carterhatch it's a really interesting blog by Ojie. Full link is: https://medium.com/@ojieedoburun/tra...n-8813011ea68f
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Every bit as important as the body. But that can be turned around too, and some people need to go through set backs and maybe recalibrate before they fully blossom.Originally posted by carterhatch View Post
I hope Prescod has really learned from this year as he does have serious talent. Agree that 200 looks like it ought to be his event.Comment
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forgive the slight tangent (no, not the 'R' word)
but speaking of Ojie Edoburun, and looking at his power of ten - it struck me how he has only ever recorded stats in the sprints 60/100/200, with one outlier a LJ in 2011. For heavens sake, is this a shining example of specialising at too young an age !! He is quite a 'unit' to use the vernacular, (wiki says 1.9m) and I venture if he were a female athlete, he would have competed in a number of different events in his informative years. (Blimey I was a borough sprint U15 champion but didnt stop my PE teacher making me run cross country for the school [pretty much last] or throw javelin [poorly]) and yet he has never, never. run a competitive 400, according to Po10, or tried the jumps beyond one effort ...
we need to make best use of our limited talent pool, and it may well be sprints are his best event, but not being encourgad to try others is short sightedLast edited by carterhatch; 11-08-21, 13:06.Comment
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Not directly to do with the funding debate, but has Ashleigh Nelson, a 3 x Olympian (London, Rio and Tokyo) actually ever run at the Olympics? She is now 30 so this would have been her last chance to compete.Last edited by LoveSprints1; 11-08-21, 15:03.Comment
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No - she actually went to Beijing and Rio but wasn't selected for the teams that ran at either of them. Then she was injured in 2012 after having won the 100m trials! -
Stew-Coach. Very tough on Ashleigh but she can’t be counted as an Olympian in my book. Someone who goes to the Olympics but doesn’t take part is a……spectator.
In true 12 year old style I looked for a definition of an Olympian and a couple used the phrase “competitor in….” which rules her out. So unless Ashleigh unexpectedly hails from the Mt Olympus region of Greece we can’t refer to her as an Olympian. -
Yes I agree that you're not an olympian unless you've competed in. I think even FS'ing counts...but she's unlucky in a way to have been selected for 4 olympics and not having competed! Perhaps S-C is right and she'll make a triumphant debut in Paris
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UKA strategic operational plan is online if anyone's interested: UKA-Operational-Plan-2021-2032.pdfComment
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Wow a management operational plan !!. I can hardly wait not to read it after listening to Coates babbling management speak in interview recently.Originally posted by Occasional Hope View Post
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I was watching 2017 again, and despite his wonder run, the commentator did comment that right at the end NMB got tight - I wonder whether the answer is move him onto 2 or 3 and change Prescod's funding to relay only and have him on 4?Comment
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For me I think it's just about proving his speed now. If he's running under 20.2 and 10.1 respectively, we can usually trust him on anchor. If not, we have enough talent in my opinion to drop him.
CJ - Hughes - Gemili - Prescod if all fit is our most ideal line up going forward I think. OJ is a handy relay runner who i'd like to see return when he's back to form. I can see someone like Azu adding some variance to the first leg. A position I still think Andrew Robertson had missed opportunities to occupy.
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Back to Ashleigh Nelson. She says she competed in Rio: https://thesportsedit.com/blogs/news...elled-now-what
So she is an Olympian after all.Comment
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Wikipedia disagrees with her saying it was Asha-Dina-Desiree-Daryl in both the heat and final...I also checked the 100 and 200 individuals. -
That is a real shame to have spanned four and been selected for three Olympics and not to have been given the chance to compete. There was surprise at her inclusion this year ahead of Desiree Henry, but it must be gutting to be in that position.
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Just thinking if it is announced on 18/10 what do they do about CJ as presumably his appeal won't have gone through by then?Comment
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Does say cant be involved in any issues at time of decision. So would say on that most likely rules him out.
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Ah ok thanks.
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Ha. Just checked the lists.
There were only 5 men funded for sprint relay but seven women
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Reece Prescod down to relay funding.Comment
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It's a shame that Hannah Williams did not get onto relay funding or that big sis Jodie wasn't moved up to podium or podium potential.
Assume (rightly) that with Lynsey Sharpe, she has to remain on the same tier during maternity?
Olympic Confirmation Level is an interesting new twist.
The British Athletics Olympic World Class Programme Athletes:
Olympic Podium (17):
Dina Asher-Smith
Alex Bell
Holly Bradshaw
Adam Gemili
Callum Hawkins
Keely Hodgkinson
Abigail Irozuru
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Josh Kerr
Nick Miller
Laura Muir
Andrew Pozzi
Jemma Reekie
Jazmin Sawyers
Lynsey Sharp
Lorraine Ugen
Jake Wightman
Olympic Podium Potential (26):
Elizabeth Bird
Emily Borthwick
Taylor Campbell
Harry Coppell
Melissa Courtney-Bryant
Oliver Dustin
Niamh Emerson
Tom Gale
Elliot Giles
Jake Heyward
Jessie Knight
Morgan Lake
Scott Lincoln
Eilish McColgan
Sophie McKinna
Naomi Metzger (née Ogbeta)
Lawrence Okoye
Aimee Pratt
Charlotte Purdue
Daniel Rowden
Marc Scott
Cindy Sember
Jessica Turner
Jamie Webb
Laura Weightman
Callum Wilkinson
Olympic Relays (16):
Kristal Awuah
Zoey Clark
Emily Diamond
Beth Dobbin
Zharnel Hughes
Richard Kilty
Imani-Lara Lansiquot
Nethaneel Mitchell-Blake
Daryll Neita
Ashleigh Nelson
Laviai Nielsen
Asha Philip
Ama Pipi
Reece Prescod
Jodie Williams
Nicole Yeargin
Olympic Confirmation Level (8):
Jeremiah Azu
Ellie Baker
Molly Caudery
Piers Copeland
Jona Efoloko
Jessica Mayho
Holly Mills
Thomas Randolph
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