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  • Sovietvest
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    I think people are being harsh with our 800 boys. If they made mistakes, they were marginal mistakes. Rowden followed Murphy on the back straight and top bend, and could have expected the American to make a move sooner. Ran his second best time and missed a place in the final by a whisker. No disgrace. Personally, I felt that once in the lead, Giles could have decided to run a negative split and try to kick off the front. But had he done that, could he have realistically expected to beat Koech, Tuka and Amos? Probably not, so trying to make it quick and earn a Fastest Loser place might have been the best tactic. Maybe, if he hadn’t already got the 1:44 heat in his legs he would have pulled it off.

    Small mistakes by two runners who came very, very close to reaching an Olympic Final. Worse mistakes and/or worse performances were delivered by better athletes: Lopez, Hoppel, Amos, Arop, Saruni. I’d even argue Murphy had a shocker.

    Steve Ovett messed up his first Olympic 800, so did Seb Coe (who also cocked up the 78 Euros), so did Wilson Kipketer, David Rudisha had a shocker in 2009. It’s the hardest race to get right tactically. We’re about to enter a great period of 800m running in the UK and all 3 will have learned loads. I just feel particularly sorry for Giles because I’m not sure he’ll make a team again.

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  • thedoctor21
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    Originally posted by Sovietvest View Post

    I heard there was a reinstatement and assumed it was Jewett! Amos could even have been DQ’d.
    yeah def looks like amos caused the whole thing. strange

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  • Sovietvest
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    Originally posted by marra View Post

    Am I the only one really surprised by this? I've watched it a couple of times and it certainly looks like Amos clips Jewitt's leg.
    I heard there was a reinstatement and assumed it was Jewett! Amos could even have been DQ’d.

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  • Croadymeister
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    Originally posted by Ursus View Post
    Bizarre session.

    Loved the shared HJ gold.

    Rojas is amazing and surely has power to add.

    Thought Benjamin looked very good and was less bothered by the win than Warholm. WR surely under threat in the final.

    I don’t think Hughes threw away a medal. That would have needed a PB and he’s not looked in that shape. Nonetheless disappointing.

    We knew things were going to be tough but if feels like someone needs to do something inspirational to kick start the GB team.
    Get Peaty to give them all an inspirational team talk now that the Swimming is over. I completely agree that leaving Tokyo with no Athletics medals is a real possibility and that's worrying to say the least. Any Golds was always a huge ask especially with Dina & KJT not fully fit.

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  • marra
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    Originally posted by MBChristie View Post
    I see Amos has been re-instated for Wednesday's 800 final.
    Am I the only one really surprised by this? I've watched it a couple of times and it certainly looks like Amos clips Jewitt's leg.

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  • Croadymeister
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    Originally posted by Christy93 View Post
    I don't think GB athletes are performing overwhelmingly badly. Some good, some bad, all a bit middling. The problem is, in my opinion, simply that we are miles off the pace in the majority of events. Most have to perform very well/their best to scrape into finals, and perform out of their skin to even approach medals. That isn't conducive to success. We are a diverse nation of 65m, with a well funded system, we should have entries in every event (yes, even throws), finallists in most and at least half a dozen strong medal chances (i.e more likely to medal than not). Something has gone very wrong imo - We need to tackle this rut and stop beating around the bush.
    Great post you have got it absolutely bang on, it's utterly humiliating when our athletes aren't even good enough to qualify for major championships. I would say the worst three is Shot Put, Javelin & Discus and seems no talent coming through in any of them at all. Yes we used to have the likes of Backley, Edwards, Rutherford, & Sanderson but that's it really. I wish I had the answer to this problem because no signs of it ever getting better across events.

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  • philipo
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    Originally posted by treadwater1 View Post
    Rowden got shoved about a few times on the last bend and did well to rebound, his finishing pace was good but he just came up against a brick wall

    Sometimes things will go your way sometimes they won’t, look at the women’s 800s yesterday, you could say Bell was fortunate to be in Mu’s heat, the race became stretched out and she didn’t have to come into close contact with anyone over the last 200. No such luck for the Brits today. Giles has shown good form this summer but he competed a lot indoors, I don’t feel that’s conducive to an Everest style peak.

    3 of our 6 talented 800 runners is slightly disappointing but maybe we got slightly carried away in our enthusiasm with all the competition for places in the team / trials races, on the men’s side at least

    We had a middling start at London 2017 and people were ready to start on the inquest on day 4. Ditto Doha 2019. Of course Dina’s injury affects our medal expectations but there’s still a fair way to go.
    certainly agree with your penultimate para; the "slightly carried away" bit.

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  • MBChristie
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    I see Amos has been re-instated for Wednesday's 800 final.

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  • treadwater1
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    Rowden got shoved about a few times on the last bend and did well to rebound, his finishing pace was good but he just came up against a brick wall

    Sometimes things will go your way sometimes they won’t, look at the women’s 800s yesterday, you could say Bell was fortunate to be in Mu’s heat, the race became stretched out and she didn’t have to come into close contact with anyone over the last 200. No such luck for the Brits today. Giles has shown good form this summer but he competed a lot indoors, I don’t feel that’s conducive to an Everest style peak.

    3 of our 6 talented 800 runners is slightly disappointing but maybe we got slightly carried away in our enthusiasm with all the competition for places in the team / trials races, on the men’s side at least

    We had a middling start at London 2017 and people were ready to start on the inquest on day 4. Ditto Doha 2019. Of course Dina’s injury affects our medal expectations but there’s still a fair way to go.

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  • philipo
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    Originally posted by marra View Post

    If it is so easy to say 'it's my fault', why do so many sports people so regularly blame outside factors then? Anecdotal evidence, of course, but I hear that far more (across all sports, not just athletics) than I hear people take responsibility on themselves.

    And surely duff tactics is effectively the same as squandering your talent? Both have the same source - a 'failing' on the part of the athlete in question and the same outcome - not getting the result that you desire.

    As someone else said, Asha Philip belongs in the "not good enough at the very highest level" catagory, not the wasting of talent.
    Asha has never been anything else in her career than a very fast indoor 60 metre runner at her best.

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  • philipo
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    Originally posted by RunUnlimited View Post

    A LOT of athletes who ran super quick times in either April, May or even early-mid June (the US Olympic Trials primarily) have been well short of those times/distances/throws so far in the actual Olympics. Of course, we're not even half way through the athletics program yet and there are plenty more athletes to see, but seeing the likes of Bromell flame out so limply, when he was coming off running 9.8 low in the Trials, seems pretty damning. Of course, we can't rule out the possibility of an injury-disrupted build up just before the Games (ala Dina), but it has been odd some of the under-performances from some of the big hitters coming into the games.

    Then again, we saw Rojas absolutely smoke the triple jump WR and Warholm, Benjamin, Samba and Dos Santos are running well enough to further lower that WR too, so maybe it's just that some folks have come to these most unusual of Olympics better prepared than others.
    Absolutely sums it up

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  • philipo
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    I thought , by the way, our 800m women ran somewhat better tactics, though maybe a little dangerous, Hope our top two do not do a "Giles" or a Rowden. If they do no medal chance , imo.. Rogers will sit and sit , Mu will try to run away from all in the last part of the race and Goule will be tough in the last 100m.

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  • SprintRelayFan
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    I agree it’s turning into a bit of a disaster for gb so far, and that’s with us going in with limited expectations.
    dina most of us tipped for 1-2 medals and obviously is injured
    We would have expected McColgan, sember, and at least one of the 800 guys to get to the final - possibly all 3 and one failed to even make semis. I think sember and an 800 guy were outside medal shouts.
    I don’t know you’d have expected Jessie knight to make the final but go further than she did.
    whilst the 100 guys probably got to the stages we’d have expected 3 false starts is unforgivable and suggests issues with coaching - whoever made the comment about them false starting to get a jump I thought was insightful
    The only def Better than I expected results I can think of are daryll and alex bell, perhaps keely H. Oh and the mixed relay but I can’t get overly excited by that. Good to see tom Gale make the final and the two women long jumpers
    this is definitely more euro u23s than euro u20s

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  • philipo
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    Originally posted by marra View Post

    If it is so easy to say 'it's my fault', why do so many sports people so regularly blame outside factors then? Anecdotal evidence, of course, but I hear that far more (across all sports, not just athletics) than I hear people take responsibility on themselves.

    And surely duff tactics is effectively the same as squandering your talent? Both have the same source - a 'failing' on the part of the athlete in question and the same outcome - not getting the result that you desire.

    As someone else said, Asha Philip belongs in the "not good enough at the very highest level" catagory, not the wasting of talent.
    once again agree very much with Marra.

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Originally posted by treadwater1 View Post

    I’m starting to notice a bit of a trend at this Olympics, quite a few athletes who set their SBs in April or May haven’t backed them up, sadly Sember falls into that category, a lot of Americans aren’t setting the world alight either
    A LOT of athletes who ran super quick times in either April, May or even early-mid June (the US Olympic Trials primarily) have been well short of those times/distances/throws so far in the actual Olympics. Of course, we're not even half way through the athletics program yet and there are plenty more athletes to see, but seeing the likes of Bromell flame out so limply, when he was coming off running 9.8 low in the Trials, seems pretty damning. Of course, we can't rule out the possibility of an injury-disrupted build up just before the Games (ala Dina), but it has been odd some of the under-performances from some of the big hitters coming into the games.

    Then again, we saw Rojas absolutely smoke the triple jump WR and Warholm, Benjamin, Samba and Dos Santos are running well enough to further lower that WR too, so maybe it's just that some folks have come to these most unusual of Olympics better prepared than others.

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