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  • Laps
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    Well done marra. Hard to argue against your logic. Which is not playing the game. Tut tut.
  • jjimbojames
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  • jjimbojames
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    I know a lot of people that would say the same about athletics - “it’s just running, or running and then jumping into a sandpit” etc. We know it takes more, but to outsiders of the sport, athletics is seen as one of the simpler sports, hence the mass participation levels worldwide (which also makes it harder to medal!) Holly taking this long to medal is irrelevant - Mondo was at the same level at a much younger age, Keely is 19 etc. As with many of the best sportspeople, they are making it look easier than it is. To assume it’s just something people do after primary school is disrespectful and ignorant of what they actually do - and I say that as someone who has no interest in the sport, in all honesty.

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  • marra
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  • marra
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    Originally posted by Dundee42 View Post
    I have no inclination to try, but are you seriously telling me that I would have a better chance in winning a marathon or pole vault. Took Holly a decade to get her medal, you are not seriously telling me that the effort expended by her is considerably more than a skateboarder doing a couple of jumps after primary school. Again I applaud them but it's a weak argument to just say ... Oh go and do it then
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    This will sound harsher than I intend it but I think your chances are neither better nor worse in any of the events we've mentioned today. They are about the same as my chances - practically zero.

    If you think that the skateboarders haven't been practicing and perfecting what they do for years - just as all high level sportsmen and women do - I don't know what to tell you.

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  • Dundee42
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    I have no inclination to try, but are you seriously telling me that I would have a better chance in winning a marathon or pole vault. Took Holly a decade to get her medal, you are not seriously telling me that the effort expended by her is considerably more than a skateboarder doing a couple of jumps after primary school. Again I applaud them but it's a weak argument to just say ... Oh go and do it then
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  • trickstat
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  • trickstat
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    If all you do is touch the end of your skateboard while going up a slight incline your scores will be far from competitive. I'd like to see you do a 'frontside tailslide'!
    I really don't think anyone could possibly reach the level of the top skateboarders in one year.

    Of course there are events in the Olympics where it may be possible for large numbers of people to reach the level of the top people if they devoted several years to developing their skills. There are also others where most people will never reach that level even if they did as they require a certain minimum level of physical aptitude. Most people will never throw a javelin 80m or run sub 10 seconds for a 100m for example.
  • trickstat
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  • trickstat
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    I am pretty sure climbing as a leisure/sporting activity was largely pioneered by wealthy Brits in the Alps in the 1800s. Obviously, there have been a lot of twists and turns before indoor climbing has become an Olympic sport but its origins are hardly "woke".
  • marra
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  • marra
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    Originally posted by Dundee42 View Post
    I am critical of skateboarding but not because I don't like it, there are other sports I have no interest in that I can say deserve to be there and can see the athleticism they possess and the sacrifices the athletes have made to hone their craft. I just don't see how a twelve year old rolling about on a skateboard is comparable.
    i applaud their achievements but it's neither that impressive nor engaging.
    As I said before if you asked me with one years dedicated training which event at the next Olympics I could qualify for, I would chose skateboarding, looks the easiest of the lot, I'm certainly not gonna be able to throw a javelin 80m or become a dressage expert in that time, but could I touch the end of my skateboard while going up a slight incline... Hmm might be able to give it a whirl.
    Well, the next Olympics is in 3 years time. If you're that confident about what you can do in one year, you should not only be qualifying in 3 years, you have a chance at making the final, surely?

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  • Dundee42
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    I am critical of skateboarding but not because I don't like it, there are other sports I have no interest in that I can say deserve to be there and can see the athleticism they possess and the sacrifices the athletes have made to hone their craft. I just don't see how a twelve year old rolling about on a skateboard is comparable.
    i applaud their achievements but it's neither that impressive nor engaging.
    As I said before if you asked me with one years dedicated training which event at the next Olympics I could qualify for, I would chose skateboarding, looks the easiest of the lot, I'm certainly not gonna be able to throw a javelin 80m or become a dressage expert in that time, but could I touch the end of my skateboard while going up a slight incline... Hmm might be able to give it a whirl.

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  • MysteryBrick
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  • MysteryBrick
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    Much too balanced a post for this forum. Needs to be more reactionary, and preferably spread over 6 different posts...
  • marra
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  • marra
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    There's two different discussions here.

    One is what sports should or should not be in the Olympics. That's entirely a personal choice and there is no right or wrong answer. I've said elsewhere that I would expand the Olympics hugely, make it once every 5 years and make it a true festival of celebrating all sports. But that's just me. Others who want a more streamlined Games are perfectly entitled to that view.

    The second thing is that we've had people describe some of the new sports as "a hobby", "non comparable to the effort and expertise athletes expend/achieve in other disciplines and chastising others for “comparing sublime gymnastics which can take 15 years or more to perfect with skate boarding or Bmx”.

    Those comments to me show a lack of respect and, frankly, a seeming lack of understanding of what it takes to get to the top in those sports. Do people think the BMXers or skateboarders just took it up last week? You know the X-Games have been a huge thing in those sports for over 25 years now, right? Adding them to the Olympics is the Olympics deciding that it didn't want to miss out on popular sports, not creating a sport out of nowhere.

    Again, I'm not saying that people have to like those sports. Each to their own. But there's a difference between not liking something and suggesting that it has no, or lesser, merit, based on no actual evidence to support that position.

    Also, liking these new additions is not being "progressive". People have been climbing for centuries. Just because it hasn't been formalised and included in the Olympics doesn't mean that it just sprang up out of nowhere. Also, liking 'new' sports doesn't mean that you don't like old sports as well. It's not mutally exclusive.



    carterhatch
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    carterhatch - I use 'tricks' because that's the term used in that sport. In reality, it's no different from a 'move' in gymnastics. Means exactly the same thing - it's the skill you are showing off.

    SprintRelayFan
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    SprintRelayFan - couldn't agree more. I'm personally a first-past-the-post type person myself as I find the vagaries of judging to be infuriating at times. But if you're going to have gymnastics/boxing and others use it, I don't have a problem with it in sports like this. Like you say, it is either or.
    marra
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    Last edited by marra; 05-08-21, 17:04.

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  • carterhatch
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  • carterhatch
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    I dont deny some of these sports you mention can garner great competition, but just because there are 'tricks' involved, doesn't make it more worthy (Denis Taylor could be a gold medalist in trick snooker if that were the case) what I question is whether many of these sports should be part of the 'Olympics' which is becoming far too bloated anyway. I studied karate for many years, but I challange a lay person to know what nuances made the difference in the kata between the two main protaganists in the women's final, because I couldn't, and that's coming from someone who strove to perform a decent kata. I just dont feel it belongs in the Olympics and there are a dozen other sports I would cut without any remorse (Football, Golf, Tennis top of my list)
    carterhatch
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    Last edited by carterhatch; 05-08-21, 16:47.
  • SprintRelayFan
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  • SprintRelayFan
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    You have to be 16 in gymnastics.
  • SprintRelayFan
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  • SprintRelayFan
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    See I adore gymnastics and no real interest in watching skateboarding. HOWEVER, they're both marked sports. So I think either you allow marked sports or you make it all first past the post.
  • SprintRelayFan
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  • SprintRelayFan
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    I must say I'm a huge gymnastics fan but didn't think there was much interest on here
  • philipo
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  • philipo
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    33 separate sports
    Fucking crazy.

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