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  • #31
    As someone who lives in the States now, I can hand on heart say that they are no better or worse, no more arrogant or whatever, than any other group of people I've spent time around. There are idiots there, of course, but there are in literally every country. Some of the views being espoused about them here are no better than the views they are criticising about Americans and certainly nothing that reflects well on the UK.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sovietvest View Post

      Nice guy but he's spending too much time in the company of that kidult Gordon Mack.
      Yes, it's hard to believe that someone so inarticulate can make a (presumably) good living from talking!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by marra View Post
        As someone who lives in the States now, I can hand on heart say that they are no better or worse, no more arrogant or whatever, than any other group of people I've spent time around. There are idiots there, of course, but there are in literally every country. Some of the views being espoused about them here are no better than the views they are criticising about Americans and certainly nothing that reflects well on the UK.
        I honestly believe there is a difference between our cultures - in some ways better in some ways worse. Compare the treatment of Chambers and Gatlin in the respective countries (and you could argue the US attitude was better). Look at how we try to knock anyone who gets success - Farah and Wiggins for example. Imagine how sooner we'd have gone after Armstrong. Even this week look at the stick Eilish McColgan got - never would have happened in the US. The flipside to the greater ambition and pride felt by the Americans are the traits I described in my earlier post.

        Americans see a guy living in a big house and say: "One day I want to be that guy!" Brits (and Northern Europeans, generally) say: "One day, I want to get that guy!".

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sovietvest View Post

          I honestly believe there is a difference between our cultures - in some ways better in some ways worse. Compare the treatment of Chambers and Gatlin in the respective countries (and you could argue the US attitude was better). Look at how we try to knock anyone who gets success - Farah and Wiggins for example. Imagine how sooner we'd have gone after Armstrong. Even this week look at the stick Eilish McColgan got - never would have happened in the US. The flipside to the greater ambition and pride felt by the Americans are the traits I described in my earlier post.

          Americans see a guy living in a big house and say: "One day I want to be that guy!" Brits (and Northern Europeans, generally) say: "One day, I want to get that guy!".
          I sometimes argue that Americans, as a collective, are probably less cynical and sarcastic than their European counterparts. But that's about it. And even that isn't true of all.

          Most people on each side of the pond are pretty much the same. The same concerns, the same desires from life, the same faults. You say about Farah/Wiggins but I bet if you ask 90% of Joe Bloggs about them, they'll probably say they are Olympic heroes. We here, as sports obsessives, are not a real reflection of what the country as a whole thinks/cares about. They tune in and support "Team GB" every 4 years. They don't care on a day to day basis. The same is true in the States.

          Stereotypes, whilst having some small elements of truth at heart, are not an accurate reflection of any country. We probably all would/do bristle at the stereotypes people in the States have about us and think that is just Hollywood/media exagerating things. The same is true in reverse.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by marra View Post
            As someone who lives in the States now, I can hand on heart say that they are no better or worse, no more arrogant or whatever, than any other group of people I've spent time around. There are idiots there, of course, but there are in literally every country. Some of the views being espoused about them here are no better than the views they are criticising about Americans and certainly nothing that reflects well on the UK.
            Sad to say, when i read on my phone my CNN app which i do every day, the country utterly horrifies with what i read.I have made many specific points but no need to repeat them.
            By the way i noted that Biden was asked his views on Richardson and he said simply The Rules are the Rules. Good point.

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            • Walsh7
              Walsh7 commented
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              Just a factual comment from someone who spends most of his time in the US. CNN coverage is slanted way more to a far left agenda than Fox News is slanted to the right. CNN will purposely give you a proctologists view of the US because it has a hate America agenda. Take that for what its worth. But it is 100% accurate.

          • #36
            Originally posted by marra View Post

            I sometimes argue that Americans, as a collective, are probably less cynical and sarcastic than their European counterparts. But that's about it. And even that isn't true of all.

            Most people on each side of the pond are pretty much the same. The same concerns, the same desires from life, the same faults. You say about Farah/Wiggins but I bet if you ask 90% of Joe Bloggs about them, they'll probably say they are Olympic heroes. We here, as sports obsessives, are not a real reflection of what the country as a whole thinks/cares about. They tune in and support "Team GB" every 4 years. They don't care on a day to day basis. The same is true in the States.

            Stereotypes, whilst having some small elements of truth at heart, are not an accurate reflection of any country. We probably all would/do bristle at the stereotypes people in the States have about us and think that is just Hollywood/media exagerating things. The same is true in reverse.
            I am sorely tempted to give a long reply but i will not. Stereotypes you mention; What all 70 million of them who voted for the madman..Your comments are far too thin and glossy about Americans. But i must resist further comments.
            Incidentally every society has good, hard working, honest, people with integrity and so has USA. You miss the point; they are probably many less cynical than us... thats the problem; naivety .Swallowers of myths and misinformation.

            I know, having lectured on American history, there are copious reasons why they are what they are across the pond.!!!

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            • #37
              If we can get back to the original post, I will say that Sha’Carri has responded with more maturity than I would have expected from her graceless demeanour earlier in the season, so I commend her for that. She has every prospect of triumphing at her home world championships next year.

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              • marra
                marra commented
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                I'd happily stay on topic but when you have people unnecessarily character assassinating an entire nation based on nothing more than what they read on twitter, I think it is perfectly reasonable to offer a counter to that.

            • #38
              The cynical would say she’s finally listening to her PR people and has adjusted her messaging - would she have done so without the ban? Who knows, but the radical change in persona is either good spin or she’s been truly humbled by this. Admitting blame, even if doing so by adding caveats for the man on the street to latch onto and shift focus, is still better than the likes of Rollins and Gatlin, blaming others etc

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              • #39
                Originally posted by marra View Post

                I sometimes argue that Americans, as a collective, are probably less cynical and sarcastic than their European counterparts. But that's about it. And even that isn't true of all.

                Most people on each side of the pond are pretty much the same. The same concerns, the same desires from life, the same faults. You say about Farah/Wiggins but I bet if you ask 90% of Joe Bloggs about them, they'll probably say they are Olympic heroes. We here, as sports obsessives, are not a real reflection of what the country as a whole thinks/cares about. They tune in and support "Team GB" every 4 years. They don't care on a day to day basis. The same is true in the States.

                Stereotypes, whilst having some small elements of truth at heart, are not an accurate reflection of any country. We probably all would/do bristle at the stereotypes people in the States have about us and think that is just Hollywood/media exagerating things. The same is true in reverse.
                Your points are well made, Marra and maybe I am unfair to Americans (none of us are immune from unconscious bias). Apologies for any offence caused.

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                • #40
                  Originally posted by jjimbojames View Post
                  The cynical would say she’s finally listening to her PR people and has adjusted her messaging - would she have done so without the ban? Who knows, but the radical change in persona is either good spin or she’s been truly humbled by this. Admitting blame, even if doing so by adding caveats for the man on the street to latch onto and shift focus, is still better than the likes of Rollins and Gatlin, blaming others etc
                  There is for sure a lobbying operation going on to get het reinstated.

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                  • #41
                    Picking someone who theoretically didn’t compete at the Trials would set a massive precedent and make it clear it’s because they want her in the relay team. I don’t want to hear USTAF start mentioning her “birth mother” as the cause, or that weed is legal in some states is relevant to this - they need to say it’s about a medal or don’t include her.

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                    • LuckySpikes
                      LuckySpikes commented
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                      That weed is legal in Oregon is a red herring. There are many drugs on the WADA Prohibited List (probably the majority?) which are legal for non-sporting citizens to buy over the counter or be prescribed.

                    • jjimbojames
                      jjimbojames commented
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                      Absolutely - but that’s the lines her camp are pushing. Fair enough, she’s in damage control mode - but USTAF need to be better than that

                  • #42
                    They're not going to include her in the 100m - it would set a massive precedent and open a huge can of worms with regards to their selection procedure.

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                    • #43
                      Yeah, I can see them giving her a relay spot maybe but the individual spot seems very unlikely.

                      Was watching the NBC coverage of the Stockholm DL yesterday and they took a very matter of fact approach to it all. Which was good to hear, given some of the clamour that has been in the news about it all.

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                      • #44
                        Originally posted by philipo View Post
                        I know, having lectured on American history
                        Poor kids (or slow learning adults). You'd gain more knowledge and wisdom by watching ANY Beavis and Butt-Head episode than listening to "philipo's" lunatic far-left ravings and make-believe nonsense...aka his "lectures". Guaranteed!

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                        • #45
                          Originally posted by Pierre Johansson View Post
                          Poor kids (or slow learning adults). You'd gain more knowledge and wisdom by watching ANY Beavis and Butt-Head episode than listening to "philipo's" lunatic far-left ravings and make-believe nonsense...aka his "lectures". Guaranteed!
                          far left?

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                          • MysteryBrick
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                            Two lefts make a right?
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