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    Getting to the point where we need to discuss relays.

    Women’s
    100m – Daryl Neita and Imani Lansiquot have both found good form and with DASHER, assured of course, who is likely to be the fourth member. I suspect for Asha Philip this might be the last time before she hands over the baton for good, some might argue for Kristal Awuah , but I am yet to be convinced, or might Amy Hunt, now that academic studies are finished for the year, make her claim, or Beth Dobbin on the curve? A couple of ‘relay funded’ athletes, Bianca Williams and Ashleigh Nelson, might compel the selectors to include them, or how about Desiree Henry returning from a long absence Get the line up right, and there is a medal to be had at Tokyo.

    400m – A really positive start to the year for the ladies, with so many showing good form which can only be a plus for the relay. Too early to really say what the line up might be, and I feel it does rather depend on what the two involved in the NCAA have left in the tank, but a strong squad can do enough to qualify for the final and still allow Jodie Williams and Laviai Neilsen to try and go deep on the individual. A medal, probably bronze, is likely the best outcome possible.

    Men’s

    100m – Hmm... even if Prescod magics up a sub 10 he doesn’t seem to get involved in relays, but I could be wrong. CJ Ujah return to form is welcome, and I suspect Zarnel Hughes will be available for relays (see my note on 400), but NMB hasn’t been running, and Gemili’s hamstrings make me nervous... Francis, Kilty, Talbot are on relay funding but I wouldn’t be shocked if none of them get to Tokyo. I don’t think they are going to reach the heights of recent epic moments but some well drilled last minute practice might put them in the mix and you have to be in it to win it (though see my note on 400).

    400m - UK Swimming aren’t taking a women’s 4 x200 freestyle relay team to Tokyo, despite having recently won the European title. UK Athletics might consider taking a similar approach, or, certainly forget the ‘funded’ relay athletes and adopt a radical ‘refresh’ with a team of ‘800m’ runners who miss out on trials ... only partly kidding. I would normally advocate taking a team of young runners for ‘experience’ but frankly, the standard is so poor it would mean taking 4 athletes for just one unremarkable qualifier. How about a team from those already there? MHS, although rarely has a good relay, but likely to be only one to make the individual, a hurdles runner, if any go, who is reasonable on the flat, a 200 runner, a la Regis, and an 800m a la Gary Cook, it would save the cost of four extra kits ...
    Last edited by carterhatch; 18-06-21, 16:40.

  • #2
    I think in order of likelihood of medals you would say the two 4x100m teams are way out in front of the two 4x400m teams. The women are obviously the stronger bet but if the men are well drilled there's a medal to be had there. If you look at 2019, neither Kilty nor NMB were there individually and had been solid, if not world beating that season. But the team still set a ER in the WC final and obviously we have the 2017 gold as well. If they go in with the right mindset, you would say silver or bronze is not unreasonable. Can't see the US losing that unless they drop the baton.

    If the women's 4x400m were to get a bronze I would be surprised but not shocked. If the men were to do the same, I would have to buy a hat to eat it. That being said, they qualified and should send a team. Like the Aussie who won the speed skating back in the day, everyone else could fall over...

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    • #3
      Worth noting that there is the mixed 4x400. It might be worth sending 2 men to run this with the women not in the individual team.

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      • carterhatch
        carterhatch commented
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        Cheers Oxfan, I'd completely overlooked this addition to the events.

    • #4
      I’m sure they’ll take a M4x4, and as most (all) won’t be in the individual, give people a run out. The question will be whether to prioritise the mixed over the women, which I don’t see happening, as they are looking at least as good as Poland and Holland for the bronze, whereas the mixed is more open, with our weaker men

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      • #5
        JamieSLA mentiond on another thread that 'GB's relay politics baffle me. Prescod did an instagram Q and A earlier in the year, was asked about the relay and if he intends on running in it, his reply was along the lines of 'if i'm allowed to' - so make of that what you will'

        I dont use instagram so wasn't aware of this insight. If the following line up were at their individual best and well drilled, it would have a chance, a good chance...

        CJ Ujah - Zarnel Hughes - Gemili - Prescod

        We will see at 'trials' for the first part ...

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        • #6
          Originally posted by carterhatch View Post
          JamieSLA mentiond on another thread that 'GB's relay politics baffle me. Prescod did an instagram Q and A earlier in the year, was asked about the relay and if he intends on running in it, his reply was along the lines of 'if i'm allowed to' - so make of that what you will'

          I dont use instagram so wasn't aware of this insight. If the following line up were at their individual best and well drilled, it would have a chance, a good chance...

          CJ Ujah - Zarnel Hughes - Gemili - Prescod

          We will see at 'trials' for the first part ...
          That is on times the best 4, but how many relays has prescod run? NMB is down to run the 200 - if he turns up and is fit I'd be tempted to include him.

          Moving onto the women, barring injuries I think as per your first post Philip-Dina-Imani-Daryl is probably right.

          The women's 4x4 is well stacked, but I think I'd have Jodie and Laviai in there for sure, and quite possibly Pipi and Diamond making up the quartet. I'd be tempted to take two out of Yeargin, Liverpool and Anning for the Mixed to get them experience.

          The Men's 4x4 is too depressing to discuss. I note Delano Williams is down for the 200 at trials.

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          • MysteryBrick
            MysteryBrick commented
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            Women 4x100m - depending on how people look I really think a Dina-Imani-Dobbin-Neita quartet could be the fastest, with Dina on 1st leg as the best bend runner in the world being a big point of difference and putting the other teams under pressure.

        • #7
          Welcome to the forum SprintRelayFan...

          I think most people are holding back before naming their selections ( a favourite topic on this site for many interations) and I understand why.

          You would have read my own first post where I was reluctant to include Prescod, so I agree, we will see if NMB is fit and in form. I was non-commital on the women's 4x400 as I am waiting for the 'trials' - where it has the potential to be the race of the champs - but I think Ms. Diamond is facing a lot of competition for a berth. (I'd add zoe Clark into the mix, and one or two of the hurdles ladies)

          The mens 4x400, yes, depsressing... Just for a laugh though how about - Rowden- anyone with Chalmers as a surname -Zarnel Hughes- MHS - it couldn't do any worse than a veteran 'relay funded' quartet

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          • #8
            Thank you! Yes foolish in a way not to see how they're running before naming, but, well, couldn't resist. Jessie Knight I think certainly needs to be near the squad.
            I've never seen Zharnel do a 400! The relay vets are extraordinarily lucky they've had an extra year of funding...I'd be tempted to just not bother with it and send MHS and a Chalmers for the mixed. Although not quite sure how MHS is both physically and mentally at the minute...

            Mystery Brick - that's a really interesting lineup! I must say I was wondering about Beth more for the 4x4....which goes to show how versataile she is!

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            • carterhatch
              carterhatch commented
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              Hughes has run a 400 or two, so not completely new to its demands, but I like your idea for the mixed ...

          • #9
            ahhh this thread is killing me lol so much Id like to say, but better play nice :P

            cant name people or make suggestions is killing me hahaha

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            • carterhatch
              carterhatch commented
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              Good luck to your runners, Stew Coach, any insight is welcome

            • Stew-Coach
              Stew-Coach commented
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              Thanks carterhatch Heats are up now. each race with multiple sub 52 runners this year, makes them exciting to watch and see how play out,

          • #10
            Can we talk about relays now? blame Mysterybrick as he has already started the discussion on another thread 'She [Hannah Willams} will definitely be in the squad. I think it will be Jodie Williams, Yeargin, Pipi, Hannah Williams, Laviai Neilsen, Jessie Knight, Jessica Turner spread over the two relays.'

            I do wonder what happened with Amber Anning, whether the NCAA season caught up with her, or she had a niggle of some kind, or her COVID transition from the US adversley affected her but I would have had her in consideration. Hannah Williams PBs do make a strong case for her inclusion in a squad, and I wonder if Laviai Nielsen's disappointment might actually be the relays gain. I also think, and have always thought this, that Jessica Turner could seriously rewrtie her flat PB. Still not clear about what happened with Jessie Knight, and i hope it was illness and not injury that caused last minute doubt she would run ...

            Are we even going to have any men's 4 x 400 relay, and consequently, anyone able to make up the mixed relay? it matters as contingent upon the fact we do, I would take an extra lady or two.

            So harsh as it might sound, if we do not take any men for a mixed, my women's 4 x 400 relay 'squad' is Jodie Williams, Nicole Yeargin, Ami Pipi, Laviai Nielsen, with the hurdlers, Jessica Turner, and Jessie Knight. If we do have the intention of entering a mixed, I would add Hannah Williams and Zoey Clark.

            I would hope, although not much of a consolation prize, that an under 23s women's relay takes gold at their age group Euros with Yasmin Liverpool, Amber Anning, Isabelle Boffey & Zoe Pollock.



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            • #11
              Originally posted by carterhatch View Post
              If the following line up were at their individual best and well drilled, it would have a chance, a good chance...

              CJ Ujah - Zarnel Hughes - Gemili - Prescod

              We will see at 'trials' for the first part ...
              Well, quoting myself, Prescod, I think it is fair to say, was not at his best. Given this and the fact he hasn't been involved in relays suggest he will not be added. Can a well drilled quartet of CJ Ujah - Hughes-Gemili - NMB win a medal, yes, if they are indeed well drilled and get the baton round... who else will go as replacements Kilty and A N Other.

              As far as the ladies are concerned the weekend changed my mind very little. I think a quartet of Asha Philip - DASHER - ? - Neita, why the question mark, well, on the curve I think Dobin might be a strong option, but Desiree Henry showed some welcome return to form, and to compete the squad, Imani Lansiquot... can they podium, yes, I think so.


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              • #12
                We can definitely talk about the relays now.

                M 4x100m kinda writes itself - Ujah, Hughes, Gemili, Mitchell-Blake for heats and finals. Ujah and Hughes are clearly in 10-flat shape, I back Gemili's ability to get in shape and Mitchell-Blake looks like he is getting into something non-awful, and also has a strong history as an anchor. I would bring Efoloko along for development (but wouldn't run him) and Kilty for his experience (but again, hope not to need him).

                W 4x100m is interesting. Neita on 4 and DAS on 2 (I think she should be on 1 to give GB separation from everyone else in the world and put the rest of the field under pressure immediately, but I don't see that happening) are givens. Philip will be on 1 given her Silver at the UK Champs and great start. Then, it's a question of which of Lansiquot, Dobbin, Henry or even Jodie Williams make it on leg 3. Dobbin runs a good bend and I could see her there, but it will be really interesting to see how people run in the next few weeks. Putting it on the line, my team would be DAS, Lansiquot, Jodie Williams, Neita.

                M 4x400m is a depressing and pointless exercise.

                W 4x400m... goodness, choices. Jodie Williams on 4 is a no brainer. Laviai Nielsen has an opportunity to do a 2017 Gemili and come in as a fresh relay specialist for both 4x400s and nail it - she has proven herself capable of a 50-low in the past and hopefully can again. Then you have Pipi (who could be leg 1), Yeargin, Hannah Williams, Jessica Turner and Jessie Knight. If Yeargin can sustain her form I think my best team runs Pipi, Yeargin, Laviai Nielsen, Jodie Williams.

                Mixed 4x400m should go - definitely put your best 2 men in there, Laviai Nielsen and one other good woman.

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                • carterhatch
                  carterhatch commented
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                  Jodie Williams is an interesting choice - although I wouldn't, will the selectors let her double up 200/400, in which case her workload surely would be too much. If, as I hope, she focuses on the 400, then maybe, yes, you might have a good idea.
                  Last edited by carterhatch; 28-06-21, 12:19.

                • MysteryBrick
                  MysteryBrick commented
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                  I wouldn't let her double, and I don't think she wants to - I suspect this 200m was a relay audition.

                • Occasional Hope
                  Occasional Hope commented
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                  Based on the published selection criteria, if she wants to do both 200 and 400 surely they have to let her. They might advise her against it, or drop her from the relay

              • #13
                "M 4x100m kinda writes itself - Ujah, Hughes, Gemili, Mitchell-Blake for heats and finals. Ujah and Hughes are clearly in 10-flat shape, I back Gemili's ability to get in shape and Mitchell-Blake looks like he is getting into something non-awful, and also has a strong history as an anchor. I would bring Efoloko along for development (but wouldn't run him) and Kilty for his experience (but again, hope not to need him)."

                Literally could have written this myself

                W4X1 for me is Asha-DIna-?-Neita, but I do struggle with 3. At the moment I'd go for Imani, but I'd like to see how Desiree runs. I'd take her along as part of the squad in any case.

                W4X4 I think I'd do the same team as MB says.

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                • MysteryBrick
                  MysteryBrick commented
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                  Aw shucks...

                  3 is the problem leg for the women. We don't have a natural bend runner beyond Dina, and you do want her on 2. If, as I suspect, Jodie doesn't do the individual 200m (given the timetable, 200m and 400m isn't really practical - 400m heats 1st Aug, 400m semi 2nd Aug, 200m heats and semi 3rd Aug, 200m final 4th Aug, 400m final 5th Aug. What a (*&£&ed timetable...), then I have no issue with her running 400m heats and semis and then coming into the 4x100m. If she makes the 400m final, then it is the day before the 4x100 final so that would be a tough recovery.

                • SprintRelayFan
                  SprintRelayFan commented
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                  Yes, I suppose in a way I just don't want Jodie messing around with the 100 - want to keep her focused on the 4! although I suppose AF dipped in and out of both relays. I'd forgotten the 2 and 4 weren't compatible, I think because at one stage they said they were going to be to allow SMU to double...
                  Have changed my mind btw, would never dare to say NMB was merely "non-awful"

              • #14
                What's that you say? Not one medal from the four relays at the under -23s? There must be some mistake, are you sure? Oh, I tell you what it needs, some specific funding and a specialist coach. Oh, you do that already ...

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                • SprintRelayFan
                  SprintRelayFan commented
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                  In a way it''s hard to blame either of the 4x4 as the men got sent flying and the women had to cobble together a team - a fit Anning and Liverpool and the quartet would have medalled. The sprints is shocking though.

                • Occasional Hope
                  Occasional Hope commented
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                  Yes, the women’s 4x4 did respectably considering, and the men were not at fault. It was the 4x1s that were shocking.

                  And the answer really is Practice Practice Practice.

                • carterhatch
                  carterhatch commented
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                  Well, thank goodness the women's relay squad going to Tokyo has nine, 9, yes nine!! members to cover every eventuality (no need to respond, its my running gag...)
                  Last edited by carterhatch; 12-07-21, 12:46.

              • #15
                I do wonder how much the age group teams practice? I suspect they don't practice that much and the nature of the age groups with personnel constantly changing from year to year can make things more difficult.

                Compared to our senior teams who are used to running together, so even with the COVID enforced break they are returning to familiar territory as it were.

                Hopefully something close to full strength teams for the relays at Gateshead tomorrow. We know Dina is out for the women but otherwise it should be a strong team.

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                • Stew-Coach
                  Stew-Coach commented
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                  The YTP and JTP relay squads have been meeting for relay practice throughout. So id expect to see better drilled changeovers this coming weekend.

                  u23 is a strange one as most wont be on those programmes

                • Ladyloz
                  Ladyloz commented
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                  Stew-coach, what's YTP and JTP?

                • Stew-Coach
                  Stew-Coach commented
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                  Ladyloz

                  They're the Youth/Junior Talent Programmes run by either BA or EA, selected and top ranked athletes provided with "support" and "guidance" along with mini training camps, mostly the relay squads and development plans etc
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