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  • philipo
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    I see that poster talks of" born in the.... decade"

    It's when the performances were achieved that interests me not the birth day

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  • philipo
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    Mystery the facts are not incoherent,. In the the facts set out in the all time fastest 400m male british runners list in British Athletics the most sub 45 runners were in the 1990s; read the book in question and you must accept the obvious.

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  • MysteryBrick
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    Philipo, even for you that first paragraph was remarkably incoherent πŸ™‚

  • philipo
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    Originally posted by Ursus View Post
    Another interesting way of looking at it is the vintages of our top 30 all times which takes us to 45.34.

    Born in the.....

    00s.........0

    90s.........2

    80s........10

    70s.........8 (inc 3 of top 5)

    60s.........8

    50s.........2
    Nothing like phony stats to throw doubts in peoples minds.
    Saying the decade 2000 or any other is even remotely like the 90s or not much better than the 2000s is lala land .
    Have a butchers at the top all- time Brit 400m guys from British Athletics.

    Thomas 44.36; 97 Black 44.37 ; 96; Richardson 44.38; 98 ;Grindley 44.47 ; 92; Baulch 44.57; 96;Ladejo 44.66 ; 96 Wariso 44.68; 98; Akabusi 44.93; 88; Hylton 45.24; 98. Mafe, Sanders.Regis and others at low 45s and a bunch of 1980s guys who put our lot to shame.
    The unvarnished truth is that we currently have untalented and badly coached athletes and lord know s when that will change for the better; i would not spend a penny of our current lot and just wait for a long time till it alters. Sadly i will be pushing up the daises i suspect by then
    Remember our fab 4 in th WC in the mid 90s and,of course, the 96 OG in Atlanta.

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  • drobbie
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    Originally posted by Stew-Coach View Post
    I believe young Charlie is injured with a stress fracture. And rather randomly had MHS down the track on Sunday (was not doing my session, was purely assisting with the stop watch and guiding his session).

    I don't think any of the Men will get the QT next weekend and the BA policy then pretty much states that no one would fit any of the next levels of criteria (which is a shame) I personally hope they take a fresh men's relay for experience (if you're not in then you definitely cant win it!).



    As for the women... No Sub 50!!!! YET!! lol I personally do so it happening in the UK either this year or next.
    at least there seems to have been a decent level of improvement in the womens this year for 3 or 4 athletes

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  • Stew-Coach
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    I believe young Charlie is injured with a stress fracture. And rather randomly had MHS down the track on Sunday (was not doing my session, was purely assisting with the stop watch and guiding his session).

    I don't think any of the Men will get the QT next weekend and the BA policy then pretty much states that no one would fit any of the next levels of criteria (which is a shame) I personally hope they take a fresh men's relay for experience (if you're not in then you definitely cant win it!).



    As for the women... No Sub 50!!!! YET!! lol I personally do so it happening in the UK either this year or next.

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  • MysteryBrick
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    Wow, the only 2 '90s athletes are MHS and Jarryd Dunn, who appears to be retired (having not raced since 2019).

  • Ursus
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    Another interesting way of looking at it is the vintages of our top 30 all times which takes us to 45.34.

    Born in the.....

    00s.........0

    90s.........2

    80s........10

    70s.........8 (inc 3 of top 5)

    60s.........8

    50s.........2

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  • MysteryBrick
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    So this is one of those situations where stats don't tell the whole truth. I'm a big fan of the 'UK 10th performance' as a metric of top level quality, and actually for 2021 10th place is 46.37, which compares favourably to the halcyon days of the mid-90s:
    1992: 46.42
    1993: 46.35
    1994: 46.39
    1995: 46.42
    1996: 46.06

    However, it doesn't matter if your 10th guy is running 46.3 if your 3rd guy is only running 45.8...

    And that is the bit that I find odd. We seem to have a load of guys able to run 46-low to mid but no-one is jumping to the next level beyond MHS, who is utterly mercurial, and Charlie Dobson, who has only won one race. It's very frustrating.

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  • carterhatch
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    UK 400m - State of play

    There isn't a dedicated topic - of the 'state of play' kind - for this event - so to kick it off, a rather telling exchange on twitter.

    Laviai Nielsen - very generously after Ms. Pipi's PB - noted in a tweet l- 'British 400m running πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯'
    Martyn Rooney replies - 'Before anyone else says it… *women'

    Rather made me smile at the honesty.

    I am really looking forward to the w400 . It might not have the sub 50 times, but it is a very hight quality field, and with the added dimension of our own Stew-coach involved, we might get some additonal insight.

    The men ... the standard is as poor as i can recall in all my decades of watching athletics. There is a small cohort of U23s who could make the race competitive, although I noted that Charlie Dobson is not on the start list. I hope that there is some sort of MHS breakout moment, from someone, but not holding my breath.

    Last edited by carterhatch; 16-06-21, 14:00.
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