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**philipo** · 26-06-21, 23:35

Originally posted by Grassmarket

This is the downside of the funding-following-success model everyone is working to now. Once the tide goes out on a discipline or group of disciplines, it doesn’t come back in again.

Maybe some truth in the last sen tence. Every time some poster, especially a certain well known contrarian, wants to gainsay anything I state ,that poster and others babbles about our fabulous middle distance athletes, For christ sake , what have they won at global level... nothing as yet.
Tha n k you ,I would rather have two or three WINNERS than all your references to numbers of athletes with great times in
quick DL paced
races. Those one off DL fast races that cause little short of hysteria here are worth fiddly squat compared to a few medals in globals

**marra** · 27-06-21, 02:29

Originally posted by philipo

Doesn't hold water. The Caribbean had gold medal sprinters a long time ago; you were not addressing the facts I mention.ed which are simple facts,poster.

I never said they had NO medal winning sprinters, I said that they were not consistently winning medals pre 2000 with anything like the frequency that they have done since. Likewise with the East african nations in middle/long distance.

If I'm wrong, presumably you can show the data that shows that there has not been a dramatic increase in medal winning from those regions in those events over the last 20 years, compared with prior to that.

Also, if I'm wrong that many of our all time UK top 10s are either active now or recently retired (ie have retired since last Olympics), please show the data that shows that. It should be easy to prove as well.

I'll give you a heads up though. I'm not wrong about either.

**SprintRelayFan** · 27-06-21, 09:17

Just seen that Haroun the 2017 world 400 medalist sadly passed away in a car crash

**Ursus** · 27-06-21, 14:37

93.59 from Vetter. The only time he’s been sub 91 this year was a gentle 87 opener in Feb. Class apart.

**Ursus** · 27-06-21, 22:22

I’d assumed that Allman’s 70.01 would have put her at the top of the wDT rankings. But I’d completely missed a 70.22 from Dutch youngster Jolinde van Klinken. Looks like the wind was howling but that still has to be harnessed.

On the men’s side it’s not often that 70.35 is only good enough for 2nd place, but that’s what happened to Kristjan Ceh who lost out by 20 cm to Stahl.

On the runway Walcott has finally remembered how to throw, launching a 89.12 effort although 2nd place in the rankings is taken by Krukowski (he of the Gateshead hat) with a Polish record of 89.55.

**LoveSprints1** · 28-06-21, 18:48

Originally posted by philipo

So its down to training facilities: I believe talent and hard work with coaching is the most important issue and the super talents which appear withe great regularity in the States from nowhere should be replicated in this country or say France, Germany Italy even if infrequently. Doesn't happen, only across the pond
I believe there is a lot of naivety around about American clean? athletes
We are surely all aware of the history of cheating sprinters in America.
A lot of our sprinters are spending an increasing amount of time across the pond with wonder coaches, facilities etc: are you stating they are all un talented compared to the Americans,. if not why no comparable NCAA s
uper improvements??
If only DAS had spent all her time in USA she might be running 10.60 s I suppose. Get away with it !!

You are such a jackass @phillipo. Last time I am going to respond to anything you say, as you bore me. Laters!

**LuckySpikes** · 28-06-21, 20:27

There's a lot of big names in action tomorrow & Wednesday at the meetings in Luzern, Castellón, Bydgoszcz & Liège. All live streaming of course.

**Gully** · 29-06-21, 09:07

Originally posted by LoveSprints1

You are such a jackass @phillipo. Last time I am going to respond to anything you say, as you bore me. Laters!

Bit Harsh and not an accurate statement.
Thought Phillipo couldn't have put it better.

There are too many head in the sand fans .
some of the performances and beyond belief and can't just be credited to hard work and good coaches ...... some additional ingredients into the mix .

**Grassmarket** · 29-06-21, 18:23

Lucerne on a weather delay.

**Grassmarket** · 29-06-21, 19:59

Wayde van Niekirk 44.89 in Lucerne.

Mark English 1.44.71 in Spain, NR & OQ!

**philipo** · 29-06-21, 21:18

my god, i agree with the last post from Sprintrelayfan; but of course if I had said that there would have been the usual shout.

**philipo** · 29-06-21, 21:30

Originally posted by Gully

Bit Harsh and not an accurate statement.
Thought Phillipo couldn't have put it better.

There are too many head in the sand fans .
some of the performances and beyond belief and can't just be credited to hard work and good coaches ...... some additional ingredients into the mix .

The Americans have indicated once again this year and others that they have no respect for the rules of athletics, doping issues, decency or protocol ; all they obsess about as ever is winning( its their frigging culture or DNA), no matter cover ups or anything else.
Anyone following their college system knows what goes on in the States; nothing new for me . i recall the seventies ,the eighties and now over the recent issues.. Only the naive deny.
Travis Tygart, that cynical shit, knows all the deceit and secret cover ups that the Yanks attempted over Houlihan and they are represented in the short hurdles with another illegal, McNeal.

**treadwater1** · 29-06-21, 22:11

Men’s 800 in Monaco looks like a dress rehearsal for the Olympic final, cannot wait. Women’s looks very strong too. Benjamin vs Warholm in the hurdles, could be a special night

**trickstat** · 29-06-21, 22:50

Yes there's a few dress rehearsals at Monaco. The women's PV includes Nageotte, Sidorenko, Bradshaw , Morris etc.

**philipo** · 29-06-21, 22:50

that would be good

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