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  • For the distance events on the track, I've just realised that 4 of the 5 reigning men's World Champions will probably be missing from Tokyo.

    Brazier out, Cheruiyot & Kipruto out (unless Kenyan selectors change their mind) and Edris probably not making the team after finishing 4th at the trials. So, Joshua Cheptegei in the 10,000 will probably be the only reigning World Champion in those events.

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    • Ewa Swoboda is a no show at the Polish nationals.

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      • SprintRelayFan
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        Wonder if it’s covid after effects. She had it at the euro indoors right?

    • If you think things are bad for us, just look at this list of missing in action Germans, quoted on Totallympics. It is practically every single world class athlete they have.

      Kevin Kranz (men’s 100 m)
      David Storl (shot out)
      Thomas Röhler (javelin throw)
      Andreas Hoffmann (javelin throw)
      Fabian Heinle (long jump)
      Mateusz Przybylko (high jump)
      Raphael Holzdeppe (pole vault)
      Gina Lückenkemper (100 m)
      Alina Reh (5000 m, 10000 m)
      Konstanze Klosterhalfen (5000 m, 10000 m)
      Cindy Roleder (100 m hurdles)
      Pamela Dutkiewicz (100 m hurdles)
      Kristin Gierisch (triple jump)
      Annika Fuchs (javelin throw)
      Carolin Schäfer (heptathlon)
      Lucie Kinast (heptathlon)

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      • MysteryBrick
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        Given Mihambo is not yet looking her normal self, who are their medal threats? Vetter is obviously as close to a nailed on gold as you can get, but there aren't a long list of others (Krause is in a hypercompetitive event and I wonder if Kaul can repeat his heroics of 2019.

    • Originally posted by Grassmarket View Post
      If you think things are bad for us, just look at this list of missing in action Germans, quoted on Totallympics. It is practically every single world class athlete they have.

      Kevin Kranz (men’s 100 m)
      David Storl (shot out)
      Thomas Röhler (javelin throw)
      Andreas Hoffmann (javelin throw)
      Fabian Heinle (long jump)
      Mateusz Przybylko (high jump)
      Raphael Holzdeppe (pole vault)
      Gina Lückenkemper (100 m)
      Alina Reh (5000 m, 10000 m)
      Konstanze Klosterhalfen (5000 m, 10000 m)
      Cindy Roleder (100 m hurdles)
      Pamela Dutkiewicz (100 m hurdles)
      Kristin Gierisch (triple jump)
      Annika Fuchs (javelin throw)
      Carolin Schäfer (heptathlon)
      Lucie Kinast (heptathlon)
      Big ooooof.... No wonder the German Championships looked so bare of talent last month.... Though I did see Holzdeppe compete in the pole vault there, but he was clearly not in his 5.90 shape of years gone by then.

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      • philipo
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        Just like t
        heir swimmers who look poor this year.Never mind they have their national footy team to beat us on penalties on Tuesday.😂

      • marra
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        I wouldn't write off the swimmers completely yet. A lot of their prospective Olympic team completely skipped the European Championships to focus just on being prepared for the Olympics, following the German trials earlier in the year. Whether that will work, we'll see.

    • Sherika Jackson (really great 400m runner) being awesome at the Jam 100m trials. 10.91 in heat!

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      • And continuing today with a 10.82! Top 3 all under 10.85 in the final.

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        • Originally posted by SprintRelayFan View Post
          And continuing today with a 10.82! Top 3 all under 10.85 in the final.
          Safp reliable as ever 10.71 legal with herath and Jackson not far behind.

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          • Perhaps this is where our male 400m runners are going wrong. They all need to drop down to 100m and they'll be world class 😂. It's clearly the thing to do right now.

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            • MysteryBrick
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              I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head there. Most of our 400m men are just not quick enough. If you want to run 45.0 you have to be capable of going through 200m in 21.5 without it feeling too tough, so you really need to be a sub-21 man. I don't think many of our runners can do that. On the women's side, people like Anning, Yeargin, Nielsen, Williams are all quick!

          • Cannot help reflecting on a week end with lots of trials and National championships at the awful state of European track standards. Take Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Poland with a combined population of over 300 million; the amount of top quality track stars is practically non existent; why is this ???.Just a few promising mid distances, a couple of Norwegian superstars.
            Fortunately these countries possess some fine throwers and a few jumpers, but; all the sprints and longer distance stars are American, Caribbean and African athletes.
            So has Europe lost significant interest in the track with very few super elite except a couple of outstanding Norwegians, Warholm and Ingebritsen.??

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            • MysteryBrick
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              I think the pandemic has had a big impact on speed-based events in Europe, where things have been taken a bit more seriously than in the US (also, in the US, the milder winter in lots of places means you can train outdoors nearly all year round).

          • Originally posted by philipo View Post
            Cannot help reflecting on a week end with lots of trials and National championships at the awful state of European track standards. Take Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Poland with a combined population of over 300 million; the amount of top quality track stars is practically non existent; why is this ???.Just a few promising mid distances, a couple of Norwegian superstars.
            Fortunately these countries possess some fine throwers and a few jumpers, but; all the sprints and longer distance stars are American, Caribbean and African athletes.
            So has Europe lost significant interest in the track with very few super elite except a couple of outstanding Norwegians, Warholm and Ingebritsen.??
            This is the downside of the funding-following-success model everyone is working to now. Once the tide goes out on a discipline or group of disciplines, it doesn’t come back in again.

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            • MysteryBrick
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              Except it does, eventually - look at M800m, not great at all 10 years ago, now in its rudest health ever. Some of this is just the luck of having the right athletes in the right event at the right time.

              That said, something IS wrong with 400m coaching in the UK...

            • Grassmarket
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              Yeah, I was really referring to funding for national teams, because in Britain there will always be money for any succesful event. For example I don’t think Germany is putting anything like as much money into Athletics overall than they did 20 years ago, so effectively there is no German male middle or distance programmes anymore.

          • i realise that its sacreligous to even entertain the thought, but could it be that the quality of UK coaching in a whole series of events just aint up to the standards required.
            Our chief national coach, chosen for being a quiet young man who wont rock the sports politicos boats is not got anything much to say.
            Will Prescod show the benefits of stateside coaching... i rather doubt it

            . The philpo theory of British athletics is that after we discover a genuine world talent who succeeds at the global level , after that athlete or a couple in the event in question retire it takes 30 years or more before we find others in the same event.
            So, for example,after Christie we must wait a great time till we get some British reliable world class sprint winner , if ever; in the Triple we had a good run with several great exponents, so in the next twenty years someone will come along.
            DAS has come along a very long time after our top 100/200m woman retired.CO was a global 400m winner; we have a long wait before that happens again
            Many other examples exist , the Backley, Hill javelin period and, cripes, what we got now;You wont see another MO ever, in my opinion.

            Black and a host of great 400m male runners followed by a desert, till about 2035 i reckon; Jackson our first great short hurdler and nobody will come along to equal him for a long time;where is an Akabusi, a very fine athlete
            And of course the mid distance greats who won Globals in the eighties ; promising guys now 35 /40 years later, but none of them has actually won or medalled globally.
            Then a long time since the greats of HJ with Steve Smith and his fellow competitors.. soon to be distant memories( must not forget our 2012 medallist !!); Rowland in the steeple and a few who came later, and now we get excited when a guy goes 8.20.

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            • If you judge on times/distances there are plenty of events where many of our all time top 10 are either active now, or recently retired.

              If you judge on medals, it looks a lot worse. But I would argue that global athletics is far, far stronger than it was 20 years ago, let alone 30-40 years ago. For a start, you don't have the boycotts that happened in those days. Then you add in the countries that have have gone from being talented but inconsistent performers, to being consistent powerhouses - the Caribbean nations in the sprints, the East Africans in the distance for the obvious examples. The best athletes from almost any country now are able to train with other great athletes. The resource advantage that countries like the UK had is not there.

              Put simply, it's not that our athletes got worse as such, it's that everyone else caught up - and overtook in some cases - us.

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              • Shericka Jackson ran 10.77?! Wow... She could threaten Shaunae Miller-Uibo with her 400 background. DAS has another threat on the scene.

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                • Originally posted by marra View Post
                  If you judge on times/distances there are plenty of events where many of our all time top 10 are either active now, or recently retired.

                  If you judge on medals, it looks a lot worse. But I would argue that global athletics is far, far stronger than it was 20 years ago, let alone 30-40 years ago. For a start, you don't have the boycotts that happened in those days. Then you add in the countries that have have gone from being talented but inconsistent performers, to being consistent powerhouses - the Caribbean nations in the sprints, the East Africans in the distance for the obvious examples. The best athletes from almost any country now are able to train with other great athletes. The resource advantage that countries like the UK had is not there.

                  Put simply, it's not that our athletes got worse as such, it's that everyone else caught up - and overtook in some cases - us.
                  Doesn't hold water. The Caribbean had gold medal sprinters a long time ago; you were not addressing the facts I mention.ed which are simple facts,poster.

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                  • trickstat
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                    Olympics only before 2000:

                    Arthur Wint 1948 400
                    George Rhoden 1952 400
                    Jamaican Men 4x400 team 1952
                    Hasely Crawford 100 1976
                    Don Quarrie 200 1976
                    Alberto Juantorena 400 1976
                    Deon Hemmings 400H 1996

                    And I think that's it.

                  • MysteryBrick
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                    Trickstat, you've ruined things by coming along with facts!

                • You are way off in talking ab out recently retired athletes and I cannot see this ridiculous arguments that take place on this by those that refuse to see what is staring them in the face, especially the specific examples I gave. I will desist from further comment.

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                  • MysteryBrick
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                    Thank goodness. Please, remain silent and be thought a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt.
                    Last edited by MysteryBrick; 26-06-21, 23:29.
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