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  • #16
    Precisely, Ursus. We dont yet know if this talent is available more than a couple of times a year in DL races.Does not appear that he can sustain a full years racing, a shame but that's the body for you.

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    • #17
      But take a step back.....it's not just Max.
      Charlie Dobson and Amy Hunt come with similar injury stories. Is it a case of too much too soon with the training. Or another reason? Might be worth some analysis. Are they not all based at Loughboro? Mebbe the Sports scientists there can shed some light?

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      • SprintRelayFan
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        I'd actually forgotten all about Amy Hunt. what's going on with Ed Faulds also?

      • RunUnlimited
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        SprintRelayFan
        Amy Hunt's injury was such a shame, because she was looking really, really good in the early winter season.

        As for Ed Faulds, he is back in action. In fact, if you were watching the UK U20 Championships last weekend, Faulds was in the 400m heats (which he won quite comfortably). He'd made his season debut a few days earlier at the Birmingham University meeting (the same meet where Jodie Williams also made her return to action after injury). Faulds didn't run in the 400m final, but he has been named as a member of GB's 4x400m relay squad (which I'm going to write about in the U20/U18 thread) so I think his outing in Bedford was to show that he was fit enough for the relay.

      • SprintRelayFan
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        Ah that's great. I saw he was in the relay squad. His run last year was dreamy!

    • #18
      Now out of Commonwealths too.

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      • #19
        It seems that twitter active anti vaxers are jumping on Max's DVT diagnosis as evidence that the vaccine causes blood clots.

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        • MysteryBrick
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          FFS, has the poor guy not had enough!

        • trickstat
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          SMH. Any evidence that he's been vaccinated? If he has, what about the many millions who have and have not had blood clots?

      • #20
        It was good to see Max posting pics from his training camp in South Africa on instagram this week. He's looking healthy and happy.

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        • #21
          Does anyone have info on Max? His plans for his opening race of the season?

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          • Christy93
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            Feels safe to say he is, once again, injured. Was due to compete in Finland this week but his name has now has disappeared from start lists. Still plenty of Brits racing - Prescod, Azu, Reekie, Baker, McDonald, Okoye.

          • MR_ME
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            When was he on the startlists for Finland? The Golden Spike is another decent 800m before the British trials, and probably his last chance to race.

        • #22
          The entry lists for the British trials were updated this morning and both Max Burgin and Jake Wightman have gone from "invited" to "accepted". So it looks like they plan to be at the trials in 24 days time.

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          • #23
            Only competed 11 times in 4 complete seasons before this year.

            COVID notwithstanding that’s not great and you do wonder whether we’ll ever see the best of this talent.

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            • Ursus
              Ursus commented
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              He does, but worrying nonetheless.

            • MysteryBrick
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              Absolutely worrying.

            • Occasional Hope
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              You get the impression his body just cant take the demands he puts on it in training.

          • #24
            Ursus - where are you? Out in Budapest? So far so good for Burgin... one race at a time.

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            • #25
              Originally posted by carterhatch
              Ursus - where are you? Out in Budapest? So far so good for Burgin... one race at a time.
              carterhatch. Sadly not in Budapest, just sitting on my sofa thoroughly enjoying the World Champs, even the mixed knotweed.

              Was somewhat irritated by something that was said on here, so taking a break from the forum.

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              • MysteryBrick
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                Oh, sad to hear that Ursus.

              • carterhatch
                carterhatch commented
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                Well, Ursus, glad you are alive and well ... knotweed is going to get worse in the next couple of days; how about your thoughts on UK Throws on the relevant 'state of play' thread... much to ponder there

            • #26
              Some final words on Max as he bows out of the championships. Did he get it tactically wrong last night? Maybe but he has had success with that tactic at both British trials and U18 championships in the past, this time he just didn't have the fitness/ conditioning to pull it off. He ran 1.44 from the front last year at British trials (and 1.45 this year) so he can at least do much better than the 1.47 last night suggests. His post race interviews suggest he didn't feel great on the 2nd lap. I hope he makes it to a champs with full fitness to at least put his front running ability to the test in a championship setting when he is in good shape, if it doesn't work out in that scenario then maybe its time for a rethink.

              There is also a lot of talk about how fragile he is and if he can string a whole championship/ season together, although I appreciate that talk wont go away until he has a full season/ performs consistently, he has had a lot of bad luck. The blood clots for example were not a typical sporting injury. This year it was the Achilles, which they will now get to the bottom of ASAP and shouldn't cause him trouble next year. He also said that he plans to run indoors for the first as he needs more experience racing, which also seems like a good plan.

              Finally he is only 21 and he has time on his side. Josh Kerr for example didn't make it out of the heats at his first world championships, and it then took him another two attempts before he got the gold. Jake Wightman didn't make it out of the heats at his first commonwealth games and went to 2 world champs and 1 Olympics before he medalled. So I am optimistic that one day we will see him win a global medal. He definitely has the talent and dedication.

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              • MysteryBrick
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                Hell, he can look at MHS as an example of someone super talented early on (European Silver as a first year U23) who then had a litany of injuries and other issues, interspersed with flashes of greatness, before finally coming gloriously good in the last two years.

              • trevorp
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                Worth noting that Bryce Hoppel was only 0.02 behind Max at 400 but managed to finish a close third and qualify by time, so absolutely possible that Max might have had a physical problem. And it wouldn't exactly be a shock, would it?

            • #27
              Nice extended interview with Max. Lots of details on his injury woes, his running tactics, training, the DVT, Budapest and his plans for next year. They are still trying to figure out what the Achilles problem is.

              For this week's episode, we spoke to Nike athlete and 1:43 800m man, Max Burgin. At just 21, Max has been a serious talent for a number of years now, and we spoke to him about his career so far, his plans for the future, and much more. Enjoy!

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              • carterhatch
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                A good listen. He comes across as an articulate, open and frank lad with some interesting insights. Spoiler alert, if 'fit and in good shape' he would consider running indoors next season, the achilles issue [as MR_ME notes] is ongoing and he has never run a 400m though he'd like to think a 46.xx was in him but hasn't used blocks previously... Cheers for the link.

              • MR_ME
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                I hope that once he hopefully gets into a rhythm of having full seasons without major injury problems, he can experiment with the 400m in the same way Keeley does.

              • MysteryBrick
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                You'd have to feel he has a fast 400m in him!

            • #28
              Do any of our young 800m runners have the potential to go on and be sub-1.43 runners challenging for global titles. A guy like Ben Pattison will always have a chance of medalling at 1.44 pace, but can he, Burgin, Dustin or any of the others in that emerging group step up further?

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              • MysteryBrick
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                Yes, he should be with an experienced coach more likely to get the most out of him.

              • Occasional Hope
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                I do think Max has the raw ability, IF he can keep healthy. And yes, maybe a more experienced coach would help.

              • trevorp
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                Not sure Dustin is even worthy of a mention in this company: that 1:43 is looking increasingly anomalous.
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