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    It's always easy to get overexcited, but he looks like a once in a generation talent. 1:44.75 solo is the sort of performance that only about 15 athletes a year are actually capable of (I can't think of another Brit who could at the moment, even though a number have faster PBs), and this is an opener. Injury-permitting etc. etc. who knows what he could do this year, or next year when he is (still) a junior!

  • #2
    It is a very significant milestone for the lad, and I am sure the team around him will keep him focused on his journey. Interesting to note his dad is heavily involved, a la another prodigious talent at 800 from some decades ago. Also pleasing to see Daniel Rowden return after a long lay off, he was looking very promising, so fingers crossed for his progress too.,

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    • #3
      Problem is. we have often seen very promising talent fall by the wayside through over-training, injuries....but all the best to him.

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      • #4
        While I do get the caution with youngsters, I think the track record of promising young GB talent transitioning to the senior team has been pretty good in the past decade. I don't have any stats on hand but I struggle to think of many outstanding junior talents that haven't gone on to make senior teams. Yes they don't all get medals at World and Olympics, but then only a very small % of athletes do...

        DAS, Gemili, KJT, Sophie Hitchon are just a handful of names that won junior titles and all came through fairly swiftly to senior GB teams.

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        • #5
          I think he will have to develop his tactical awareness because in the last few years he’s been in a class of his own and has usually led from the gun. How those surrounding him and those at British Athletics decide to support him will be key, inviting him to last years Diamond League in Birmingham wasn’t a success, but given his talent he will want to run against strong opposition before long.

          The next 12 month period works out quite well for him, the British trials will be very competitive next year over 800 and if he makes the team, great, if not, he has the world juniors to fall back on.

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          • trickstat
            trickstat commented
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            While perhaps the DL last year wasn't a success, at some stage, prodigious young athletes do need to gain experience of races in which they aren't expected to win. Probably better to not do so well in such a race at a DL than a major senior champs.

        • #6
          Max Burgin appears to running at the Stockholm Diamond League meeting this week! Up against Brazier, Tuka, Arop, Bol, Rotich & Kramer. Can't wait to see how he reacts to not getting the lead (as is likely with some other front runners in the field).

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          • #7
            Originally posted by Christy93 View Post
            Max Burgin appears to running at the Stockholm Diamond League meeting this week! Up against Brazier, Tuka, Arop, Bol, Rotich & Kramer. Can't wait to see how he reacts to not getting the lead (as is likely with some other front runners in the field).
            i read that his 1.44.75 was hand timed due to a breakdown in the electonic timing mechanism.

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            • Christy93
              Christy93 commented
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              The problem was with the gun test. The discrepancy was to the thousandth of a second. The debate was whether it will be verified as a UK record, which I doubt, but the time is unquestionably accurate.

            • trickstat
              trickstat commented
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              I would have thought it could still be ratified as 1:44.8.

          • #8
            1:46.02 for 6th today in Stockholm for Max Burgin. You can view this as disappointing given his solo 1:44... or you can say this is his third fastest ever, 6th place in a quality field beating the 2019 World Silver medalist and would be the 4th fastest GB U20 time ever if he hadn't already gone faster twice!

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            • #9
              The emergence of Daniel Rowden, the resurgence of Eliot Giles and however unlikely double of 800/1500 effort for Tokyo by Wightman, is probably the best thing for letting young Max Burgin progress without too much pressure of expectations - although I am a little troubled by his withdrawl from British champs through 'injury' but appearing a week later at a Diamond League to little avail...

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              • #10
                I think the 800 spots are still wide open. A lot can change between now and June next year. Burgin should target qualification for Tokyo as he is good enough to achieve this and if he misses out well he's still a Junior next year so has the back up option of competing at Euro Juniors and World Juniors.

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by Ladyloz View Post
                  I think the 800 spots are still wide open. A lot can change between now and June next year. Burgin should target qualification for Tokyo as he is good enough to achieve this and if he misses out well he's still a Junior next year so has the back up option of competing at Euro Juniors and World Juniors.
                  How do you or anybody know that Burgin is good enough to achieve qualification for Tokyo and why would he need to bother at his age and level of experience..; based on his two races I have seen, with elite competition, he is a mere very talented beginner. This endless talk about his likely abilities at elite senior level does him no favours, and is ill advised to put it mildly. He should be thinking about 3 or 4 years hence and who knows how he will have progressed. Beware of the proven stats that more than 75 percent of wunderkinds do not rise to the top of the elite, despite the occasional exceptions.

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                  • MysteryBrick
                    MysteryBrick commented
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                    The issue here, philipo, is that his current peak performance level is that of the top of the elite. Points around experience are completely valid, but this isn't a good junior running 1:46-mid and winning a European Junior medal (which that time would do), this is the second fastest European U20 off all time with another year to go.

                • #12
                  The world junior champs in Kenya will be a great opportunity to see how good Burgin is with top competition and a couple of hard rounds .

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                  • Ladyloz
                    Ladyloz commented
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                    Yes it would. Which is why it wouldn't be a disaster if he doesn't make Tokyo team.

                    However, a very competitive Senior British Championships trials race would also be a good experience for him whatever the result.
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