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  • Aha! Found it! BTSport 4 Friday 15:30 SEC Championship - clashing with the Europeans.

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    • LuckySpikes
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      OK, cheers! I'll put it in the document that covers Friday.

  • Live streams/broadcasts for events starting on Thursday 2nd March and Friday 3rd March:

    Highlights of the SEC Indoor Championships were due on BT Sport on Friday afternoon but they've disappeared off the TV guide again!

    Sorry, there's no teaser notes this time.

    Thursday to Sunday
    • New Zealand Outdoor Championships (Wellington, NZL)
    • European Indoor Championships (Istanbul, TUR)
    Friday to Sunday
    • New South Wales State Senior & U23 Outdoor Championships (Sydney, NSW, AUS)
    • Victorian State Senior & U20 Outdoor Championships (Melbourne, VIC, AUS)
    All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/1nv9piw5vw...03-03.odt?dl=0

    Next major post on Friday evening for the weekend's streams including the Tokyo Marathon, the Hobart Run The Bridge 10km and the Copa Brasil Race Walking.​

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    • Live streams/broadcasts for Saturday 4th March to Sunday 5th March:

      It's possible that there will be a full post-race video for Saturday's Breaking 10 road race in Barrowford with Emile Cairess and Andy Butchart amongst others. The organisers are promoting the possibility of Cairess breaking Richard Nerurkar's 46:02 British Record for 10 Miles. If it becomes available, I will add it to the document. The race will finish around 6.30pm.

      As stated elswhere on the forum, The TEN event in California is pay-per-view (6 dollars) so is not included in the document below.

      Saturday to Sunday
      • Ongoing New Zealand Outdoor Championships (Wellington, NZL) - See the post above
      • Ongoing European Indoor Championships (Istanbul, TUR) - See the post above
      • Ongoing New South Wales State Senior & U23 Outdoor Championships (Sydney, NSW, AUS) - See the post above
      • Ongoing Victorian State Senior & U20 Outdoor Championships (Melbourne, VIC, AUS) - See the post above
      • Spanish U20 Indoor Championships (Sabadell, ESP) - Whilst there is a number of good athletes here it's probably fair to say that it's not loaded. Maybe it comes too late in the indoor season and some of the best U20s have already "shut their season down"?
      Saturday
      • Hobart Run the Bridge (Hobart, TAS, AUS) - International 10km road race; This year it looks like Aussies will be denied the home victory with 3 Ugandans competing - Kenneth Kiprop, Dan Kibet & Prisca Chesang (7th in World XC two weeks ago). Liam Adams, Leanne Pompeani and the Gregsons, Ryan & Genevieve, are amongst the top domestic entries
      • USA 15km Championships (Jacksonville, FL, USA) - Leonard Korir & Hillary Bor are the pick of the Men's field whilst Emily Sisson should have the beating of a line-up that includes Allie Ostrander, Annie Frisbie & Dakotah Lindwurm
      • Corrida Cipolletti (Cipolletti, ARG) - International 10km road race; I have no idea who's competing in this night race but I think it's usually a decent race with elite entries from several South American countries. Last year it was won in 29:00
      Sunday
      • Tokyo Marathon (Tokyo, JPN) - WA Elite Platinum Label race; We're missing the massive names here (they're all running Boston or London) but the fields are still strong and competitive. There's 9 sub-2:05 men including Sisay Lemma, Benard Koech and Stephen Kissa (UGA). There's also a total of 46 sub-2:10 athletes entered so it could be another crazy-deep race like last weekend's men's race in Osaka where there was a lead pack of 50+ at halfway! Amongst the other athletes are Cam Levins and Mohamed El Aaraby (2nd in NY, 2021). Kyohei Hosoya (JPN; 2:06:35 PB) has said he's attacking Kengo Suzuki's 2:04:56 NR. The Women's field is headed by 6 women separated on PBs by 1 minute. They include Ashete Bekere, Rosemary Wanjiru (2:18:00 debut in Berlin 2022) and Tsehay Gemechu. The three fastest Japanese women entered will likely be aiming to join the sub-2:20 club. However, Mao Ichiyama broke a rib in December so her form is uncertain. Mizuki Matsuda has her limitations I feel (though I'd love to be proven wrong) and the third of those is Ai Hosoda. She may be the best bet having run 2:21:42 in London where she was all on her own for most of the race (remember, London has a women-only race). Maybe, having the competition this time could be enough to push her under the 2:20 barrier?
      • Copa Brasil Race Walking (Brasilia, BRA) - The Men's 20km could be good here with Brazil's 3 Tokyo Olympians, Caio Bonfim, Mattheus Correa & Lucas Mazzo. The Women's 35km could also be decent quality with Viviane Lyra, Elianay Pereira & Mayara Vicentainer. Sadly, their big gun on the Women's side, Erica de Sena, is missing. She DNF'd at the World RW Tour event in Ecuador last weekend
      All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/psxjsmrys0...03-05.odt?dl=0

      Next major post on Wednesday for Thursday's Box Hill Classic (mid-D racing in Oz) and the start of the New Balance Indoor Nationals for US High-Schoolers.​

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      • Live streams/broadcasts for Thursday 9th March to Friday 10th March:

        It's explained further in the document but unless you subscribe to the ESPN Player it's probably not going to be easy (or possible?) for us in the UK to watch the NCAA D1 Indoor Championships live.

        There is a Continental Tour Challenger meeting on Thursday - the NSW Milers Series Meet 6 - but the fields are really not very good so I haven't included it in the document. TBH, I'm very surprised that it's got Challenger meeting status.

        Thursday
        • Box Hill Classic (Box Hill, VIC, AUS) - Mid-distance meeting; The mid-distance events at this season's Aussie meetings haven't taken off because several of their bigger names such as Bisset, Linden Hall, McSweyn & Jye Edwards have raced very sparingly or not at all. Unfortunately, that trend continues here and the fields aren't as strong as they usually are. The Women's 1500 'A' race might be the best race with Claudia Hollingsworth & Georgia Hansen. Curiously, Bisset is the only entry in a Mixed 800 (dunno what's going on there!)
        Thursday to Sunday
        • New Balance Nationals Indoor (Boston, MA, USA) - One of two US High School national indoor championships, sponsored by competing shoe companies; Shawnti Jackson (60 & 200), Lex Young (5000), Sadie Engelhardt, Ellie Shea (both Mile) & Nyckoles Harbor (200) are amongst the athletes competing here
        Friday to Sunday
        • Nike Indoor Nationals (New York, USA) - The other US High School national indoor championships! World U20 400H champion Akala Garrett is in the 60H & 400 and Sophia Gorriaran is in the 800 & the Mile - in the latter event against Irene Riggs and 3 other members of the World U20 cross team
        Friday to Saturday
        • NCAA D2 Indoor Championships (Virginia Beach, VA, USA) - This is always a good watch
        • NCAA D1 Indoor Championships (Albuquerque, NM, USA)
        All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/6vnph74ftn...03-10.odt?dl=0

        Next major post on Friday evening for the weekend's events including the European Throwing Cup, Nagoya Women's Marathon, Sydney Track Classic, Lisbon Half Marathon, Italian Cross Country Championships and the 10km Villa de Laredo in Spain.​

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        • Live streams/broadcasts for Saturday 11th March to Sunday 12th March:

          Saturday to Sunday
          • Ongoing New Balance Nationals Indoor (Boston, MA, USA) - see post above
          • Ongoing Nike Indoor Nationals (New York, USA) - see post above
          • European Throwing Cup (Leiria, POR) - The quality of the events varies but the Women's Jav, the Men's Shot & the Women's Hammer look like the strongest and/or most interesting. Tzengko & Vilagos face-off in the W Jav. In the M SP, there's Weir, Kokoshko, Fabbri & Bertemes and the Women's Hammer sees a re-match of the Munich medalists, Ghelber, Rozanska & Fantini. Other big names competing include Ceh, Schilder & Fajdek. Lincoln, Okoye, Percy & Charlotte Payne are part of the British team competing
          Saturday
          • Ongoing NCAA D2 Indoor Championships (Virginia Beach, VA, USA) - see post above
          • Ongoing NCAA D1 Indoor Championships (Albuquerque, NM, USA) - see post above
          • Sydney Track Classic incl Australian 3000m Championships (Sydney, NSW, AUS) - WA Continental Tour Challenger meeting; As well as some top Aussies there's a fair number of Japanese and Kiwi athletes competing here. However, the quality of the events is quite variable. Amongst the better events are the Women's 800 with Griffith, Caldwell, Sanford, Nozomi Tanaka & Rebecca Mehra (USA) and the Women's 3000 with Jess Hull, Tanaka (again!), Davies, Gregson and a number of other good athletes. Fred Kerley goes in the 400
          • British Athletics Cross Challenge Series Final incl Inter-Counties XC Championships (Loughborough, GBR) - From what I can gather from the preview (the entry lists are too long to wade through!) the senior races aren't particularly deep with Megan Keith, Jess Gibbon and the Mahamed brothers the headline athletes
          • 10km Villa de Laredo (Laredo, ESP) - International 10km road race; The fields are good and headlined by Berihu Aregawi who wants to run sub-27 here. Others in the Men's race include Peter Maru (UGA), Efrem Gidey, Pietro Riva & Thomas Mortimer. The Women's race has a few Kenyans headed by Naomi Chepngeno and home hopes Isabel Barreiro and triathlete Paula Herrero who is taking aim at Trihas Gebre's 31:39 Spanish NR having run 31:44 recently
          Sunday
          • Nagoya Women's Marathon (Nagoya, JPN) - WA Platinum Label race; This is the world's biggest Women-only Marathon (22,000 runners in 2018) with the biggest first prize of any marathon, 250,000 US Dollars. However, the first prize hasn't attracted a stellar field. Ruth Chepngetich leads the field (it has been rumoured she won't start) but Nancy Jelagat is the only other sub-2:20 athlete. Top Japanese women racing include Ayuko Suzuki, Honami Maeda (both 2021 Olympians), Mao Uesugi, Mizuki Tanimoto & Yuka Suzuki, a 23yo recent collegiate star running her 2nd marathon after her 2:25:02 debut here last year. Other entrants include the Aussies, Eloise Wellings & Izzi Batt-Doyle, the USA's Sarah Pagano and three Chinese 2:26/2:27 athletes
          • Durban International Marathon incl South African Marathon Championships (Durban, RSA) - WA Label race; I have no idea which international athletes are competing but I believe they are targeting 2:08 and 2:26
          • Festa del Cross - Italian Individual & Clubs Cross Country Championships (Gubbio, ITA) - No rest for the likes of Nadia Battocletti and Ludovica Cavalli after Istanbul! Battocletti is part of a strong Women's race that also includes Arnaudo, Selva, Colli, Reina, Gemetto, Mattagliano & Aprile. The Men's race is headed by two-time defending champ, Iliass Aouani, and Osama Zoghlami. In the short 3km senior races Cavalli, Micol Majori, Ala Zoghlami & Mattia Padovani are amongst those lining up
          • Elche International Half Marathon (Elche (Alicante), ESP) - Ben Connor is the fastest athlete racing here and will face the likes of David Nilsson, David Bascuñana and three 62 minute Moroccans. Siham Hilali (MAR) heads the Women's entrants
          • Ghent Half Marathon incl Belgian Half Marathon Championships (Gent, BEL) - WA Elite Label race; The fields are good here and include Bashir Abdi hoping to break the Belgian NR of 60:18. In the Women's race Lydia Njeri Mathathi & Veronica Loleo (both KEN) are aiming for sub-68 and the entrants also include Kasanesh Ayenew Baze (ETH) who has had some good wins in Switzerland recently
          • Lisbon Half Marathon (Lisbon, POR) - WA Elite Label race; From the headline athletes released these races look loaded! Ayana, Niyonsaba (HM debut), Margaret Chelimo Kipkemboi & 64:14 athlete Gebrzihair go in the Women's race whilst there's at least 4 sub-59 men racing - Rhonex Kipruto, Rodgers Kwemoi, Gebrhiwet & Sawe
          All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/jo6gn7kbao...03-12.odt?dl=0

          Next major post on Wednesday evening for Thursday's Sir Graeme Douglas International (Conti Tour Bronze) in Auckland and the final Victorian Milers Club meeting of the Oz season.​

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          • Lots of NCAA stuff on YT now - the DivII & DivIII meets in full & big bleeding chunks of DivI

            Welcome to NCAA Championships - the official YouTube channel for archival NCAA video and all NCAA Championships. Get your NCAA Championship tickets here: https://www.ncaatickets.com/ NCAA and March Madness are trademarks owned by the National Collegiate Athletic Association Want more classic NCAA Basketball and March Madness moments? Check out: https://www.youtube.com/marchmadness?sub_confirmation=1

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            • Linked now in the latest document 2 posts above are YouTube recordings of the TV broadcasts for the Sydney Track Classic and (with ad breaks removed) the Nagoya Women's Marathon.

              The senior long races at the Italian Cross Country Championships were indeed included in the YouTube streams
              after the TV broadcast had finished. In the document I've indicated at what point they start in the streams.
              Last edited by LuckySpikes; 13-03-23, 00:28.

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              • Live streams/broadcasts for Thursday 16th March:

                Thursday
                • Sir Graeme Douglas International (Auckland, NZL) - WA Contintental Tour Bronze meeting; The Men's & Women's 1500s look like the most interesting events here, including a load of Japanese and other international representation. In the Women's Nozomi Tanaka and 4:07.9 compatriot Ran Urabe should be to the fore along with Rebecca Mehra (USA) & Rebekah Greene (NZL). McCartney, McTaggart & Ayris go again in the W Pole Vault. Other athletes competing include Tom Walsh & Zoe Hobbs (100)
                • Victorian Milers Club Meet 5 (Doncaster, VIC, AUS) - 800m & 1500m; Again the 1500s are the best events here with Caldwell, Hollingsworth, Maudie Skyring, Amy Bunnage & Hancock-Cameron in the Women's 'A' race and Buckingham, Matthew Hussey & William Lewis in the Men's
                All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/j74s4kstll...03-16.odt?dl=0

                Next major post possibly tomorrow (Thursday) evening but more likely on Friday evening for the weekend's streams including the John Wolmer Speedfest meeting in Jamaica, the loaded NYC Half Marathon, marathons in Seoul, Barcelona, New Taipei City & Los Angeles, the Asian Race Walking Championships and possibly the Carolina Spring Break Classic meeting in Puerto Rico.

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                • Officially it is the Zurich Barcelona Marathon so either a Marathon in Zurich sponsored by Barcelona or vice versa.

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                  • Tonight's post for the weekend's streams will be made hopefully before midnight UK time. There's no rush though because, currently, the first streaming action doesn't start until 6pm on Saturday.

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                    • Originally posted by LuckySpikes
                      Tonight's post for the weekend's streams will be made hopefully before midnight UK time. There's no rush though because, currently, the first streaming action doesn't start until 6pm on Saturday.
                      I've been checking your live streaming posts regularly recently and I have just registered so that I can express my appreciation for the work you put in to post these! So Thank You!!!

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                      • Aussiestatman
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                        And so say all of us

                      • LuckySpikes
                        LuckySpikes commented
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                        Thanks for your kind words the both of you.

                    • Live streams/broadcasts for Saturday 18th March to Monday 20th March:

                      There is some top-class racing in Lille on Sunday including a possible Men's 5km World Record (Kejelcha, Krop & Telahun Bekele in that). However, this event (Half Marathon & 10km also) has never been live streamed to my knowledge, so I don't hold out much hope for a stream this weekend.

                      Never mind, there's a lot of good other stuff on tap this weekend ...

                      Saturday
                      • English Schools' Cross Country Championships (Nottingham, GBR) - The lack of info on this is shocking!
                      • John Wolmer Speed Fest (Kingston, JAM) - There's a number of good athletes competing here, e.g., Forbes, Sada Williams, Kemba Nelson & N Morrison in the W 200 Final C (the race lettering seems to go opposite to the conventional way). Zharnel Hughes faces Ackeem Blake & Rusheen McDonald in the M 200 Final E. Elaine Thompson-Herah also goes in the 400
                      Late Saturday into Sunday
                      • New Taipei City Wan Jin Shi Marathon (New Taipei City, TPE) - WA Gold Label race; Since COVID the elite fields here have been small but good and this year include some familiar athletes such as Shumi Dechasa and Bekelech Gudeta. Heading the lists on PBs are Barnabas Kiptum (2:04:17) and Gebeyanesh Ayele (2:21:22)
                      • Asian Race Walking Championships & All Japan Race Noburu Race Walking Nomi Tournament incl Japanese University 20km Race Walking Championships (Nomi, JPN) - Great to see the annual Asian RW Championships back for the first time since 2019 - they're always held at this venue. This is the deepest Race Walking meeting of 2023 so far, at least until next weekend's Gold meeting in Dudince. The combination of the fields for the Asian Champs, All Japan race & University Champs makes for strong line-ups (there's only 20km races for Seniors, no 35km) with 11 nations represented. India have sent a strong team that includes most of their best. Australia also have a strong entry in the All Japan open category including Jemima Montag and in the Men's race Cowley, Tingay and Swan. China's team is kind of C or D level for them but they should still be competitive. 2021 Olympic silver medalist Sandra Arenas (COL) is also due to toe the startline
                      • Seoul Marathon (Seoul, KOR) - WA Platinum Label race; There's very little info on who's competing here but it's usually a strong race. The course records set last year are 2:04:43 and 2:18:04
                      • Niigata Half Marathon (Niigata, JPN) - There's decent fields for this. However, I'm not sure how good the streaming coverage will be
                      Sunday
                      • Spring Ina High School Ekiden - Boys' race (Ina, JPN) - As the Ekiden season winds down, this is a big event for the High Schoolers and usually contested by many of the top schools from December's national championship. The leg records linked in the document will give you an idea of the high quality of this event. There is also a Girls race but that isn't broadcast on TV
                      • Barcelona Marathon (Barcelona, ESP) - WA Gold Label race; The Men's field here is good with six sub-2:06 and a further five sub-2:07 athletes, led by Kaan Kigen Ozbilen (2:04:16 PB). The Women's field is thinner on the ground with 3 athletes at 2:21 or faster, headed by Zeineba Yimer (2:19:28 PB)
                      • Run Rome The Marathon (Rome, ITA) - WA Elite Label race; The fields aren't particularly deep here. Fikre Bekele starts as the favourite to defend his title (2:06:16 PB) against just two other sub-2:10 men. The Women's race looks competitive though with six sub-2:30 women separated on PBs by just over 2 minutes
                      • Vittoria Half Marathon (Vittorio Veneto, ITA) - This looks like a competitive international Men's field with several athletes in the 65 to 67 minute range although I think Marouan Razine & Abdoullah Bamoussa are both better than their HM PBs so far
                      • Spanish U16 & U18 Individual & Autonomous Federations Cross Country Championships (Pamplona, ESP) - Always a good event and the U18 Women's race in particular is strong with the likes of defending champ Xela Martinez & Maria Viciosa who looks like she could turn out to be the best of the emerging Viciosa sisters
                      • Pan American Marathon Championships & Caracas Marathon (Caracas, VEN) - Other than the two Brazilians competing, I have no idea who else is due to race!
                      • NYC Half Marathon (New York, USA) - Cheptegei vs Jacob Kiplimo & Kennedy Kimutai (58:28 PB) ... Obiri vs Teferi vs Cheptai along with Jess Warner-Judd & Grovdal. What's not to like?!
                      • Los Angeles Marathon (Los Angeles, CA, USA) - Yemane Tsegay (2:04:48 PB) and Tsehay Alemu (2:27:17 PB) head the fields here. I don't know who else is competing but in recent years the depth here has been slim
                      • Stramilano (Milan, ITA) - International Half Marathon; The line-ups for this famous old race are decent including several sub-61 and sub-71 athletes as well as Cosmas Mwangi (27:15 10,000m PB) making his HM debut. There's a number of good Italians competing too such as Epis, Lonedo & Arnaudo in the Women's race
                      Monday
                      • Indian Grand Prix - Meet 1 (Trivandrum, IND) - The line-ups at these GP meetings are always domestically pretty good and amongst the entrants here is Hima Das in the W 200; There may be a Preview article appearing over the weekend that I'll link to - that will do a better job than me of identifying athletes to watch!
                      All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/gl5sqsoapd...03-20.odt?dl=0

                      Next major post possibly on Wednesday evening but more likely next Friday evening.​

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                      • cooperw02
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                        Thank you so much for your great work as always!

                        I guess looks like no streaming for Lille 5k, 10k, HM? Shame if there isn't because it looks like a great event: https://twitter.com/albertostretti/s...12756970323968

                        Thanks again

                      • LuckySpikes
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                        cooperw02 , there's good news! See the post below.

                      • cooperw02
                        cooperw02 commented
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                        That's great, thank you! Very excited for this weekend's action around the globe

                    • Live streaming of Sunday's Lille Half Marathon, 10km & 5km has been added to the latest document above. There's a load of very good athletes involved over the 6 races (M & W) but the highlight has to be the Men's 5km with a rumoured attempt on Berihu Aregawi's 12:49 WR by a field that includes Kejelcha, Krop, Telahun Bekele & Rogers Kibet (UGA). Sam Atkin also goes in that race.

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                      • Live streams/broadcasts for Saturday 25th March to Monday 27th March:

                        Apologies but I don't have the energy for teaser notes tonight, except to say that the Dudinská 50 Race Walking meeting is loaded.

                        Saturday to Sunday
                        • ? Grand Prix Sudamericano Estrella Puente & Grand Prix Sudamericano Darwin Piñeyrúa (San Carlos, URU) - both WA Continental Tour Challenger meetings
                        • Nippon Sports Science University Long Distance Meeting AKA Nittai University Time Trials (Yokohama, JPN)
                        Saturday
                        • Dudinská 50 (Dudince, SVK) - World Race Walking Tour Gold meeting
                        • Brisbane Track Classic (Nathan nr Brisbane, QLD, AUS) - WA Contintental Tour Silver meeting
                        • SIAB Schools Cross Country International (Liverpool, GBR)
                        • Atlanta Women's 5K (Atlanta, GA, USA) - WA Label race
                        • Trofeo Ibérico 10,000m incl Spanish & Portuguese 10,000m Championships & U20 & U18 5000m Championships (Burjassot, ESP) - ESP vs POR at 10,000m
                        • ? Azkoitia-Azpeitia International Half Marathon - Diego Garcia Memorial (Azpeitia, ESP) - WA Label race
                        • MVP Velocity Fest 12 (Kingston JAM) - WA Continental Tour Challenger meeting
                        Sunday
                        • Hannover Marathon (Hannover, GER) - WA Label race
                        • Spanish 20km Race Walking Championships (Córdoba, ESP)
                        • Venloop (Venlo, NED) - International half marathon
                        • Shamrock Shuffle (Chicago, IL, USA) - 8km road race
                        • Movistar Madrid Half Marathon (Madrid, ESP) - WA Label race
                        Monday
                        • Indian Grand Prix - Meet 2 (Trivandrum, IND)
                        All the details and links at https://www.dropbox.com/s/etc1cj0lmx...03-27.odt?dl=0

                        Next major post on Wednesday evening for the Australian and South African outdoor Championships which both start on Thursday.​​

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                        • LuckySpikes
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                          Added to the latest document above is Sunday morning's Tour de Houilles 10km including the French 10km Championships.

                      • Originally posted by LuckySpikes
                        Live streams/broadcasts for Saturday 25th March to Monday 27th March:

                        Apologies but I don't have the energy for teaser notes tonight, except to say that the Dudinská 50 Race Walking meeting is loaded.

                        Saturday to Sunday
                        • ? Grand Prix Sudamericano Estrella Puente & Grand Prix Sudamericano Darwin Piñeyrúa (San Carlos, URU) - both WA Continental Tour Challenger meetings
                        • Nippon Sports Science University Long Distance Meeting AKA Nittai University Time Trials (Yokohama, JPN)
                        Saturday[LIST][*]Dudinská 50 (Dudince, SVK) - World Race Walking Tour Gold meeting
                        Am reminded that this is now the Dudinská 35. Or the Dudinská 35x2 = 70.

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                        • LuckySpikes
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                          Yes, they're 35km races now (and quality 20km races too). I don't get the feeling that they'll ever rename the meeting though.
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