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  • Stew-Coach
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    Thoughts on Amber's move to the US??

    Personally id say Yasmin is a good prospect but I'm Biased lol

  • LoveSprints1
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    Jake Norris : https://www.athleticsweekly.com/athl...ss-1039919076/

    "The 19-year-old from Windsor is currently studying physical therapy at Louisiana State University, where he lives in the same four-person student flat as teenage pole vault talent Mondo Duplantis.

    The strict collegiate rules in the United States mean he has had slight problems accessing the Futures funding while in America but when he is at home in the UK he has made great use of it and, along with coach Paul Dickenson and his support team, it has led to him throwing UK records of 80.65m with the 6kg hammer and 73.24m with the senior hammer in 2018.

    “It’s a lot of help, especially when I’m in England, which is basically around half of my season, as it takes some expenses off my shoulders and makes things easier,” says Norris, who was recently named junior male athlete of the year at the British Athletics Writers’ Association awards in London.

    “During my first year on funding it gave me the chance to go warm-weather training in Leiria in Portugal as well."

  • jjimbojames
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    I think Staines is finished with school now, so should be easier to manage his season. Sometimes, it can take a year to adapt to life-post education, so hopefully he has a good set up...and his parents will no doubt be able to help with all aspects, too. He and Kerr look to have really benefited from the US experience

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Originally posted by carterhatch View Post
    A very informative two part series RunUnlimited, thank you. There are indeed some talented individuals among these names, but perhaps its too early for me to get excited for a line up of KJT, Emerson and Mills at the Paris Olympics. I agree Ogbechie is a 'huge' talent, but again I need to be be cautious as injury and illness can strike at anytime, but I do wonder if he will excel as a jack of all trades, but not set the world on fire at HJ. Given the potential he has shown, at LJ and HJ, as well as his evident speed, dare I suggest triple jump!

    I am glad Amber Anning, for her own personal development, appears to be pursuing the NCAA route, but it does rather suggest that we can not expect too much from her in our own outdoor season over the next 3 to 4 years.

    If Max Burgin continues his trajectory over the next season or two, we might have a special athlete on our hands, but again I remain cautious as we all know the pitfalls of expectations.

    Of all listed, I was hoping Thomas Staines was going to be that rare beast, of a 400/800 star... I do get carried away LOL
    lol Thanks Caterhatch! I get quite invested in how our young athletes do after the well documented struggles Britain has had in in youth athlete development in recent decades - Vernicha James and Emily Pidegon being just a couple of a whole slew of very talented teenagers who, for various reasons, didn't manage to make the breakthrough into the senior ranks. So yeah, sorry for the excessive amounts of word salad on my part!

    As for some of the names you bring up... I would be doing back flips if we saw a full team of heptathletes attacking the Paris Olympics! Though to be fair, would KJT still be doing the event by 2024? JEH, in my opinion, was still good enough and fit enough to have had a crack at winning a 4th world title in London, but by then she had had enough, aged 31. Kat would be the same age in Paris and with all the training and effort needed to compete at the top level in the multi-events, it could be the case that she'll have enough of it too.
    But I'll be *extremely* surprised if Emerson or Mills weren't there, because they have the talent and physical gifts to be at *least* 6500+ heptathletes.

    Ogbechie is still just 17, he'll probably still be tinkering with some 200m and 100m for the next few years, but I feel he is headed towards either the long jump or the high jump as his specialist event. Ogbechie as a triple jumper tho... Intriging! And I was going to mention Falode as well in the triple jump conversation at youth level, but Jimbo beat me to the punch!

    Amber Anning is the most exciting 400m runner at this age we've seen for many years. I just hope and pray that she doesn't go the way of Sabrina Bakare or Clovis Asong...

    Max Burgin... wrap him up in cotton wool and unleash him when he is ready!

    Thomas Staines... Well, let's see what he does once he's done with the collegiate system in the USA.

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  • LoveSprints1
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    Great two part series RunUnlimited. Dominic Ogbechie is now 17. Now some athletics trivia for you - Ogbechie and Amy Hunt were born on the same day a year exactly after Jeremiah Azu! Dominic injured himself in the Long Jump at Bedford, where he set his outdoor PB. He was on fire and we will never know what he could have jumped in later rounds or in the high jump from which he scratched. Roll on next season.

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  • jjimbojames
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    There’s some great jumping going on at U17 level in the boys, too - Archie Yeo and Daniel Falode. I worry Daniel’s height might be an issue for a TJ’er, but he’s so new to the event, who knows! He’s not far off Ben Williams at that age. Yeo not far off Ogbechie.

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  • jjimbojames
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    I don’t know enough about the programme, but any AFAIK sponsorship normally has to be repaid before a scholarship can be given. Could be there’s no money involved, in which case, they’d be fine

  • carterhatch
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    A very informative two part series RunUnlimited, thank you. There are indeed some talented individuals among these names, but perhaps its too early for me to get excited for a line up of KJT, Emerson and Mills at the Paris Olympics. I agree Ogbechie is a 'huge' talent, but again I need to be be cautious as injury and illness can strike at anytime, but I do wonder if he will excel as a jack of all trades, but not set the world on fire at HJ. Given the potential he has shown, at LJ and HJ, as well as his evident speed, dare I suggest triple jump!

    I am glad Amber Anning, for her own personal development, appears to be pursuing the NCAA route, but it does rather suggest that we can not expect too much from her in our own outdoor season over the next 3 to 4 years.

    If Max Burgin continues his trajectory over the next season or two, we might have a special athlete on our hands, but again I remain cautious as we all know the pitfalls of expectations.

    Of all listed, I was hoping Thomas Staines was going to be that rare beast, of a 400/800 star... I do get carried away LOL

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Molly Caudery (Pole Vault) - A very talented vaulter, Caudery has had a mixed career as a junior. At the 2017 European U-20's, she would win a silver medal, jumping a then-PB of 4.35m, moving equal 4th on the UK U-20 all time lists with Hollly Bradshaw, all done in her first year in the junior age group at 17 years old. The following year Caudery would improve considerably, opening her outdoor season with a 5th placed finish at the Commonwealth Games in April. Then at the Mannheim meeting the following June she broke the British U-20 record with 4.53m, at the time the 2nd best jump in the world by an U-20 in 2018 and moved her up to 8th on the world all time list. She was right up there as a contender for a medal at the World Juniors in Tampere following that breakthrough and much was made of her chances there. Caudery qualified comfortably enough for the final but then seriously underperformed in said final, only managing to clear 4.10m before three failures at 4.20m. Following that last failure she left the pole vault bed in tears, especially when her British record leap just a few weeks earlier would have been good enough to win the gold here.

    Following that disappointment, 2019 proved to be pretty much a nightmare for the 19 year old, suffering from a lack of form that lead to several no heights on the NCAA circuit both indoors and outdoors, and a spate of injuries that would mean she only recorded one legitimate outdoor performance - a 4.05m effort at the Welsh Senior Championships in July, before shutting down her season.

    Lucy Hadaway (Long Jump) - Coming from a multi-event background in the U-17's, Hadaway had already won a bronze medal at the 2017 Commonwealth Youth Games in the individual long jump before in 2018, she made the move to that specialising in that event and showing significant progress. Hadaway would make the final at the World Juniors and finish in 6th, before a week later setting her 6.39m PB at a meeting in Britain.

    This year she was already jumping distances close to her personal best (6.34m in May) but unfortunately an ankle injury picked up shortly afterwards that would end her seasopn prematurely.

    A good prospect.

    Holly Mills (Combined Events) - To put it mildly, Mills is already looking to be the latest addition in the production line of potentially world class hepathlon talent Britain has produced in the last 30 years or so, following on in the very recent footsteps of World Junior champion Niamh Emerson and Morgan Lake (and obviously Kat and Jess before them too!). Mills had always been involved in multi events as a youngster, but she would first came to prominence in 2015 as a 16 year old when she jumped 6.29m in the long jump, the best jump by a Brit that age since KJT herself jumped 6.31m at the 2009 World Youth Championships during the hepathlon. She would then follow that by winning gold in the long jump at the European Youth Championships in Tblisi, while a year later she would also win long jump gold at the Commonwealth Youth Games, while during the season itself she improved her long jump PB to 6.31m at the British Athletics Championships in Birmingham, coming third ahead of more experienced jumpers. However, Mills was always aiming for a return to her main event the heptathlon and during 2018 she had started throwing the shot put in preparation for doing so.

    2019 would be the year where she fully committed to the multi-events and it was a pretty impressive debut season for the now 19 year old. In her first full on heptathlon contest at Bedford in May, she scored 5722 points, going straight to 6th on the UK U-20 all time list, the best debut points score by a UK junior ever. Mills also continued to impress in the long jump, setting her current lifetime best of 6.51m during the summer heatwave conditions at Mannheim this June. In that same Mannheim event, Mills would also set lifetime bests in the 100m hurdles (13.56), 200m (24.13) and the javelin (32.95m), in only the 6th time she had *ever* thrown the spear in competition to that point!

    Come the Euro U-20's in Boras a few weeks later, Mills would impress in her first major competition heptathlon, setting PBs in the 100m hurdles (13.45 - run into a stiff -2.5 m/s headwind no less!) and the high jump (1.78m) and would have won a bronze medal had she reproduced some of her shot put form from earlier in the season, instead of the 10.86m she managed in Boras. All in all, she would finish 4th and add another 80 points to her heptathlon PB score with 5802, and already showing that she had a solid base to build from in the future. To top it off, a couple of days later Mills would return to the track and win a hard fought bronze medal in the individual long jump, leading the contest in a couple of rounds and could have won it with a monster effort in the 6.70/6.80m region that was narrowly ruled a foul.

    She has so much potential. Considering that she was so new to throwing the javelin, shot put and only 2 years into competing in the high jump, there is so much scope for further development and improvement. I can easily see Mills as a regular 40m+ javelin and 13m+ shot putter, as well as a sub 24 second 200m runner. Couple that with the potential to go over 1.80+ in the high jump, she could be set to do some real damage in the heptathlon in the next few years. And with the likes of KJT and Niamh Emerson inspiring her along, then the future of multi-events in this country looks to be in good hands for many years to come.

    An absolute no-brainer to be on the Futures Programme.

    Jade O’Dowda (Combined Events) - Unfortunate to miss the whole 2019 outdoor season through injury. Did well at last year's World Junior Championships, setting PBs in the 200m, 100m hurdles and shot put for an overall points total PB of 5680 points and 7th place in the standings.

    It's likely that she is not at the same kind of level of potential as Mills or Emerson, but O'Dowda could still make it into the 6000 point club in the next few years.

    Dominic Ogbechie (High Jump) - A huge, huge talent who I was really looking forward to seeing compete this year after his breakthrough season in 2018, setting the world age best high jump record indoors with his 2.22m clearance at just 15 years old. Later that year he would win high jump gold at the European U-18 Championships in emphatic fashion, now aged 16. It's not just the high jump in which he has some skill at either, as he already has run sub 11 seconds for 100m, sub 22 for 200m (indeed, he won the Inter Boys title over the distance at the English Schools Champs in 2018 too!) and has a 7.66m PB over the long jump (indoors - has an outdoors best of 7.57m set this year).
    Unfortunately however, shortly after setting his outdoor long jump PB in Bedford, Ogbechie would pick up an injury in the high jump competition that would prematurely end his season.

    It's still not clear just what event Ogbechie will finally settle on, though judging by the trends in the last couple of seasons, he and his coach are narrowing it down to the high jump and long jump.

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Originally posted by RunUnlimited View Post
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    Now to finish my assessment of the rest of the listed athletes...

    George Armstrong (Discus) - English Schools champion at U-15, U-17 and U-20 age groups. On the international stage though not much success at the junior or U-23 level. At the European U-20's in 2015, he made it into the final where he finished tenth, while at the World Juniors the following year in Bydgoszcz, Armstrong failed to make it out of qualifying. He then failed to qualify at all for the European U-20's in 2017. And this year at the Euro U-23's, having set a new lifetime best of 61.21m in Chula Vista in April - placing him 7th on the UK U-23 all time lists and would end up the 4th longest throw by a European U-23 this season - Armstrong would struggle to make it through qualifying, barely scrapping into it in last position, and in the final itself he finished a very disappointing 8th place, his "best" effort of 52.45m nearly 8 meters down on his early season PB.
    Talented but hard to see how he'll fare in the senior ranks.

    Lewis Byng (Shot) - Hugely talented. Last year as a 16 year old, he went to joint 3rd on the UK U-17 all time list with 19.45m (5kg implement), then finished 7th in the Euro U-18 championships. This year, the 17 year old moved to 2nd on the U-20 UK list with his 19.14m effort in June (6kg implement). Then managed to make the final of the Euro U-20's and finished a credible 8th place in the final, ahead of several throwers who had better PBs and doing so as the youngest finalist in the field too.
    Time will tell what the future will bring for him, but with more experience and training, definitely one to watch.

    Jake Norris (Hammer) - A much more difficult 2019 for Norris compared to his glorious 2018. Last year's World Junior champion and British U-20 record holder has found his first year in the U-23's to be less than satisfactory. Last year with the senior hammer implement, Jake threw the hammer over 73 meters, impressive for a 19 year old, before going on to win gold in Tampere with the 6kg hammer. This year however, he struggled to go over 70 meters all season, and at the Euro U-23's, could only managed a disappointing 9th placed finish in the final. Still at 20 years old he is an obvious talent in the hammer, continuing the recent trend of world class throwers in the discipline coming through in the men's and women's groups, and I think he;ll be back to his best come 2020.

    Divine Oladipo (Shot/Discus) - She's kind of gone under the radar, but looking at her junior career Oladipo has done very well, getting a respectable 4th place finish at the 2017 European U-20's (shot put) as well as making the finals of for the shot put and discus at the Commonwealth Youth Games 2015. This year as an U-23, she finished just outside the medals again in Gavle, 4th in the shot put. Can she follow in the footsteps of McKinna and Amelia Strickler? Time will tell.

    James Tomlinson (Discus) - One to keep an eye on. Has had a consistent youth and junior career, making the finals of the 2016 Euro U-18 champs (finishing 6th), the 2017 Commonwealth Youth Games (winning the silver medal) and the finals of this year's European U-20 Champs, finishing a credible 5th place and throwing over 60m in the process. Hopefully he won't go the way of Nick Percy who was a good performer at the junior level but hasn't translated that form into the senior ranks.

    Serena Vincent (Shot) - Vincent is likely to have gone unnoticed by many athletics fans (apart from the throws enthusiasts here of course ​​ ), but she has been developing very well at the youth and now junior level. In 2017, just 15, she made the final of the Commonwealth Youth Games, coming in 9thplace. But she made her real breakthrough last year where she broke the UK U-17 records both indoors and outdoors, and smashed the U-18 record too. She would go on to just miss out on the medals in Gyor, throwing her UK U-18 record (3kg implement) of 16.84m in the final.
    This year, still just 17 but now throwing regularly with the 4kg shot put in the U-20 age group, Vincent continued to show improvement. She bettered her 4kg shot PB by over a metre during the season and though she didn't get out of the qualifying round at the Euro U-20's in Boras, this no doubt proved to be an important experience going up against some of the best teenage throwers in the world.

    Should be an interesting next 3 or 4 years for her.

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  • LoveSprints1
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    Originally posted by jjimbojames View Post
    Assuming there’s financial aid, I doubt Anning can take it - pretty sure it will contravene NCAA scholarship rules
    Isn't Amber Anning at the same college as Jake Norris and he is on Futures? AW did a feature on him and how it works for him.

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  • jjimbojames
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    Assuming there’s financial aid, I doubt Anning can take it - pretty sure it will contravene NCAA scholarship rules

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  • LoveSprints1
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    From the present crop of under 20's
    Amy Hunt - sprints
    Amber Anning 400m
    Temi Ojora - High Jump/Triple Jump

    Jeremiah Azu - sprints
    Josh Zeller - Hurdles
    James Tomlinson
    Seamus Derbyshire 400mH
    Abigail Pawlett - multi events (U17)


    Plus some level of investment in the Charlottes

    Charlotte Williams - Hammer
    Charlotte Payne - Hammer

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  • Stew-Coach
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    Id personally jump Jess Turner into the relay programme, really good progression this year, PB in the hurdles and semi final at worlds along with good splits in the mixed relay too

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  • RunUnlimited
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    Oops! Thanks for the correction there Runner88. Can't believe I got that wrong since I watched the 800m final at the time too! I've edited my entry now.
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