Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

UKA Futures Programme?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    A very informative two part series RunUnlimited, thank you. There are indeed some talented individuals among these names, but perhaps its too early for me to get excited for a line up of KJT, Emerson and Mills at the Paris Olympics. I agree Ogbechie is a 'huge' talent, but again I need to be be cautious as injury and illness can strike at anytime, but I do wonder if he will excel as a jack of all trades, but not set the world on fire at HJ. Given the potential he has shown, at LJ and HJ, as well as his evident speed, dare I suggest triple jump!

    I am glad Amber Anning, for her own personal development, appears to be pursuing the NCAA route, but it does rather suggest that we can not expect too much from her in our own outdoor season over the next 3 to 4 years.

    If Max Burgin continues his trajectory over the next season or two, we might have a special athlete on our hands, but again I remain cautious as we all know the pitfalls of expectations.

    Of all listed, I was hoping Thomas Staines was going to be that rare beast, of a 400/800 star... I do get carried away LOL

    Comment


    • #17
      There’s some great jumping going on at U17 level in the boys, too - Archie Yeo and Daniel Falode. I worry Daniel’s height might be an issue for a TJ’er, but he’s so new to the event, who knows! He’s not far off Ben Williams at that age. Yeo not far off Ogbechie.

      Comment


      • #18
        Great two part series RunUnlimited. Dominic Ogbechie is now 17. Now some athletics trivia for you - Ogbechie and Amy Hunt were born on the same day a year exactly after Jeremiah Azu! Dominic injured himself in the Long Jump at Bedford, where he set his outdoor PB. He was on fire and we will never know what he could have jumped in later rounds or in the high jump from which he scratched. Roll on next season.

        Comment


        • #19
          Originally posted by carterhatch View Post
          A very informative two part series RunUnlimited, thank you. There are indeed some talented individuals among these names, but perhaps its too early for me to get excited for a line up of KJT, Emerson and Mills at the Paris Olympics. I agree Ogbechie is a 'huge' talent, but again I need to be be cautious as injury and illness can strike at anytime, but I do wonder if he will excel as a jack of all trades, but not set the world on fire at HJ. Given the potential he has shown, at LJ and HJ, as well as his evident speed, dare I suggest triple jump!

          I am glad Amber Anning, for her own personal development, appears to be pursuing the NCAA route, but it does rather suggest that we can not expect too much from her in our own outdoor season over the next 3 to 4 years.

          If Max Burgin continues his trajectory over the next season or two, we might have a special athlete on our hands, but again I remain cautious as we all know the pitfalls of expectations.

          Of all listed, I was hoping Thomas Staines was going to be that rare beast, of a 400/800 star... I do get carried away LOL
          lol Thanks Caterhatch! I get quite invested in how our young athletes do after the well documented struggles Britain has had in in youth athlete development in recent decades - Vernicha James and Emily Pidegon being just a couple of a whole slew of very talented teenagers who, for various reasons, didn't manage to make the breakthrough into the senior ranks. So yeah, sorry for the excessive amounts of word salad on my part!

          As for some of the names you bring up... I would be doing back flips if we saw a full team of heptathletes attacking the Paris Olympics! Though to be fair, would KJT still be doing the event by 2024? JEH, in my opinion, was still good enough and fit enough to have had a crack at winning a 4th world title in London, but by then she had had enough, aged 31. Kat would be the same age in Paris and with all the training and effort needed to compete at the top level in the multi-events, it could be the case that she'll have enough of it too.
          But I'll be *extremely* surprised if Emerson or Mills weren't there, because they have the talent and physical gifts to be at *least* 6500+ heptathletes.

          Ogbechie is still just 17, he'll probably still be tinkering with some 200m and 100m for the next few years, but I feel he is headed towards either the long jump or the high jump as his specialist event. Ogbechie as a triple jumper tho... Intriging! And I was going to mention Falode as well in the triple jump conversation at youth level, but Jimbo beat me to the punch!

          Amber Anning is the most exciting 400m runner at this age we've seen for many years. I just hope and pray that she doesn't go the way of Sabrina Bakare or Clovis Asong...

          Max Burgin... wrap him up in cotton wool and unleash him when he is ready!

          Thomas Staines... Well, let's see what he does once he's done with the collegiate system in the USA.

          Comment


          • Stew-Coach
            Stew-Coach commented
            Editing a comment
            Thoughts on Amber's move to the US??

            Personally id say Yasmin is a good prospect but I'm Biased lol

          • RunUnlimited
            RunUnlimited commented
            Editing a comment
            "Thoughts on Amber's move to the US??

            Personally id say Yasmin is a good prospect but I'm Biased lol"

            As long as she enjoys her education there and comes out with the grades she expects, then I'm more than fine with it... Not like I have any say in the decision of course!

            Also going to a nation that routinely turns out some of the fastest 400m runners in the world is surely got to be a good thing for her in the long run.

            As for Yasmin Liverpool... She's an interesting athlete because she's somewhat of a late comer to athletics - her first recored performances were from 2015 as a 16 year old, nothing before then - and her times have dropped consistently. This year was easily her fastest set of times over 200m and 400m, taking over 2 seconds off from her previous 400m best last year and dipping under 53 seconds for the first time too.

            Definitely one to keep an eye on.

        • #20
          I think Staines is finished with school now, so should be easier to manage his season. Sometimes, it can take a year to adapt to life-post education, so hopefully he has a good set up...and his parents will no doubt be able to help with all aspects, too. He and Kerr look to have really benefited from the US experience

          Comment


          • #21
            Well I guess we will find out soon enough, national Talent Programmes along with Futures and the WCP all to be confirmed in November, will be interesting if anyone is removed from any level leading into Olympic year

            Comment


            • #22
              A whole tier of potential Futures British talent has just gone to the USA or is planning to. Sam Bennett, Amber Anning, Josh Zeller, Amaya Scott, Pippa Earley, Karl Johnson, Ethan Brown plus many more U20 top 10 athletes. Will be interesting to see how they all fare over the next few years.

              Yasmine Liverpool - incredibly exciting prospect. Getting stronger and faster. Props to you Stew-Coach.
              Last edited by LoveSprints1; 02-11-19, 08:26.

              Comment


              • #23
                Can Dominic Ogbechie throw? I wonder if he'd be tempted by the decathlon?

                I understand why so many GB athletes opt for the US system - a much cheaper way to get a degree than staying here, and great competition. But I worry that some of them are suddenly put into much more intense programmes than they're used to and the risk of injury and burn-out can be high.
                Last edited by sidelined; 10-11-19, 00:06.

                Comment


                • #24
                  I would have thought it might have been PV that did Dominic in - he used to do multi events but I’m guessing the change was to limit injury as well as excel in one/a couple of areas. Multis athletes get used more than most to get points for colleges in the US system, in my experience, which has put a few I know off going over there - burnout is quite high!

                  Comment


                  • #25
                    Originally posted by sidelined View Post
                    Can Dominic Ogbechie throw? I wonder if he'd be tempted by the decathlon?

                    I understand why so many GB athletes opt for the US system - a much cheaper way to get a degree than staying here, and great competition. But I worry that some of them are suddenly put into much more intense programmes than they're used to and the risk of injury and burn-out can be high.
                    Has there been any research into the percentage of UK athletes who go to the US NCAA system and burn out and the percentage who stay here and burn out or drop out of the sport? Plenty of British based athletes who were promising at u17 and u20 level never make it in this country.

                    The US system is very much survival of the fittest. On average in the US less than 2% of student athletes across all sports go on to have Pro careers - the figure is slightly higher for Football and Basketball. The stated goal of the NCAA is to give the most talented collegiate athletes great competition and for them to get a degree. Not a bad goal to set them up for life and for the overseas students to have a life changing experience with great facilities, competition and for some to study at a level they would not have been able to access in the UK . Throw in freedom from 50K of debt if they had stayed over here and a professional coaching structure at collegiate level where physios and nutritionists are on site, the choice is understandable. It won't work for everyone but Loughborough et al don't work for everyone either.

                    Comment


                    • Alanx7
                      Alanx7 commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Like most decisions that have to be made in life there are pro's & con's. Not everybody would be suited to the collegiate system, however, some aspects are attractive.

                      Personally I doubt if it's worth the analysis better to concentrate on looking after the athletes that stay here & keep good communication with those based in the US.
                      There have always been & will be drop outs...

                  • #26
                    Shouldn't this have been announced by now ?

                    Comment


                    • #27
                      I wonder if they are mulling over how to achieve their goals with £500k of VAT to be paid...

                      Comment


                      • #28
                        Originally posted by larkim View Post
                        I wonder if they are mulling over how to achieve their goals with £500k of VAT to be paid...
                        Scrapping relay funding would achieve that goal.

                        Comment


                        • #29
                          I did hear it was delayed, The normal funding discussions are next Mon/Tue so perhaps to be at the same time.

                          If there is any money left of course after the creation of these "Talent Hubs"

                          Comment


                          • #30
                            Stew-Coach any update on that meeting? there is often some kind of announcement in November, and I am sure those aiming for Tokyo would welcome assurance that funding is in place... or are UKA so occupied by ZHP ( I can hear the employment lawyers now carving their fees out of this mess) that they don't have time for the future ?

                            Meanwhile, not been discussed anywhere else but Anyika Onuora has announced her retirement, a sterling career if not quite the heights she may have hoped for, but I hope she remains in and around the sport.

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/50546336

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X