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**Rhondda Celt** · 03-10-19, 22:48

That womens 400 was insane.

're Kat, I was always a believer but that was more flag waving hope than knowledge. Whether we doubted or not, we are are all smiling tonight that she has show her potential. If both are fully fit, Tokyo could be a clash of the titans.

**Christy93** · 03-10-19, 22:53

Day 1: Morning: 200 Heats
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Day 2: Evening 200 SFs
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Day 3: Morning 400 Heats
Day 3: Evening 200 Final
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Day 4: Evening 400 SFs
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Day 5: Evening 400 Final

Miller-Uibo's Tokyo double schedule, unless it's changed. What goes through her head after that bolt from Naser? Suspect she'll focus on the 200 and see what happens in the 400 afterwards.

**RunUnlimited** · 03-10-19, 22:58

On KJT's amazing gold.... That 6981 NR points total would have beaten Thiam when she was fully fit, let alone one with a knobbled elbow.

It is also the highest points total at a major championships since Carolina Kluft broke the 7000 point barrier for the 2nd time at a WC, in the 2007 Worlds, and is the fourth highest points score at a World Championships ever (JJK - 7128 2nd best score in Hept history - Rome '87, Kluft - 7032 - Osaka 2007, Kluft - 7001 - Paris 2003)

KJT came of age tonight and I couldn't be prouder of her.

**jjimbojames** · 03-10-19, 23:03

I think she’ll also believe she can get over 14m/45m and that she has a chunk of time to gain back over the 200m. She looks much stronger in the legs and that has helped, but her confidence and attitude change was key. Shame about Thiam’s injury, because you just know some will say it was a hollow victory, like Dina - but you can only beat who’s there and Thiam has never scored so highly in a major champs.

Will also put pressure on Thiam over the winter. Does she get her elbow looked at properly or manage it and look to work on her jumps to mitigate a loss of form in her throws? The 300 point gain she used to have looks unlikely to be coming back anytime soon without surgery

**Christy93** · 03-10-19, 23:16

Naser went through 200 in 22.8 apparently. 300 split was 34.6, so she went 11.8 for the third 100. Miller-Uibo split 23.3 & 35.3.

**RunUnlimited** · 03-10-19, 23:24

Originally posted by Christy93 View Post

Naser went through 200 in 22.8 apparently. 300 split was 34.6, so she went 11.8 for the third 100. Miller-Uibo split 23.3 & 35.3.

22.8 would have placed Naser in the top 8 in the 200m final yesterday! Incredible stuff!

**CAML** · 04-10-19, 00:34

I thought 2015/16 had broken Kat. Happy to be proved wrong. Mike Holmes did a wonderful job nurturing her talent.

**Christy93** · 04-10-19, 00:38

Originally posted by RunUnlimited View Post

22.8 would have placed Naser in the top 8 in the 200m final yesterday! Incredible stuff!

The number of female 400m runners (and other athletes & coaches) being really openly suspicious of Naser's run on social media really caught my eye. A lot of them have raced her and will do so again - Bold to be so open...

**RunUnlimited** · 04-10-19, 00:55

Originally posted by Christy93 View Post

The number of female 400m runners (and other athletes & coaches) being really openly suspicious of Naser's run on social media really caught my eye. A lot of them have raced her and will do so again - Bold to be so open...

Well, until such time as she fails a test or likewise, then I'm going to take hers (and Miller-Uibo's) performances tonight on face value and call them incredible, not "unbelieveable" performances... Like how Gred Lemond called Lance Armstrong's performance in the first of his 7 consecutive TdF "victories" when he was interviewed afterwards by the press, he called them "unbelieveable"... because he knew that Lance and the other riders coming through in that era were doping, but couldn't come out and say it because of the support system Armstrong had around him that would attack anybody casting suspicion his way.

I can understand people being suspicious... No female 400m runner has run as fast since Marita Koch's WR run in '85 - and that performance was almost certainly performance enhanced (and possibly wind aided too). But I'll always give the benefit of the doubt to the athlete unless it was clear something was going on that makes their runs look suspect.

**Ursus** · 04-10-19, 08:58

The spear was pivotal in both multis.

Kat, at last, has grooved a serviceable technique that will guarantee low 40s. But there’s more to come, the lack of follow through on her PB throw was quite bizarre. As well as Kat sorting herself out there’s been some great work from her coaching team.

Thiam’s got a real problem. The spear’s her big point of difference, but elbow problems are really difficult to shake off. She may well need medical intervention and / or technique remodelling. Either way I doubt we’re going to see 16 / 17m differentials again which brings a whole new dynamic into play.

Kaul just blew it all apart in the spear and that wasn’t a freak either, he’s got 78 and 77 to his credit from earlier this year. Great technique, he simply looks like a proper thrower and 80 will come. Disgraceful that such a good thrower can also run a fantastic 1,500 too.

**Stew-Coach** · 04-10-19, 09:21

I think I am only just out of shock from that 400!
Im here trying to get woman to maybe 51/50 lol and the world has shifted.

Excellent performance by KJT, sublime

**RunUnlimited** · 04-10-19, 09:22

Originally posted by Ursus View Post

The spear was pivotal in both multis.

Kat, at last, has grooved a serviceable technique that will guarantee low 40s. But there’s more to come, the lack of follow through on her PB throw was quite bizarre. As well as Kat sorting herself out there’s been some great work from her coaching team.

Thiam’s got a real problem. The spear’s her big point of difference, but elbow problems are really difficult to shake off. She may well need medical intervention and / or technique remodelling. Either way I doubt we’re going to see 16 / 17m differentials again which brings a whole new dynamic into play.

Kaul just blew it all apart in the spear and that wasn’t a freak either, he’s got 78 and 77 to his credit from earlier this year. Great technique, he simply looks like a proper thrower and 80 will come. Disgraceful that such a good thrower can also run a fantastic 1,500 too.

That last line though... L O L!

**larkim** · 04-10-19, 10:10

Originally posted by LuckySpikes

Filip Ingebrigtsen hasn't been DQ'd! Bit bizarre in my opinion.

I'm stunned that he hasn't been. He clearly balls his hand into a fist, and even if it isn't a firm punch there is visibly an aggresive punch rather than a flat hand on the back. Nevermind the aggressive cut back in which takes away his legs.

It must have escaped the track judge's attention (possible, they can't see everything live) AND not been protested by Ethiopia. Another one of those where if we had transparency of the jury process we'd at least be able to see if there was actually a decision made one way or another.

Edit: Lemi and Ramsden both advanced to the semi, hadn't spotted that earlier. Still surprised that Filip is in there though.

**treadwater1** · 04-10-19, 10:29

A slightly different take on yesterday’s event, phenomenal performances from Kat but I have to disagree that Thiams injury was crucial. Thiam was on 4042 after day one, last year in Berlin her day one score was 3930. Her Berlin score (6816) was the second best of her career at that point, I genuinely think she faltered because of the pressure KJT put on her, her body language was not as confident as it normally is, she couldn’t respond in the long jump like she so often has as she realised Kats score was insurmountable. I suppose it shows she’s human after all. The elbow injury wasn’t crucial as the contest was already over at that point. Remember she threw 53m in Rio when she appeared to be in much more pain. I sincerely hope she can make a full recovery, but I suspect she would need surgery as it’s a reoccurring problem.

We’ve seen a couple of huge talents emerge in the last few years in Elaine Thompson, Echevarria, SMU and Thiam who have recorded marks that have measured up against the greatest of all time. It looked as though they would dominate their events for years to come only to be deposed a short time later. This has been quite the champs for upsets.

Im not sure what to make of Naser’s run last night, some think it’s too good to be true, but then WvN took a huge chunk off MJs WR, so why not believe? But I can understand the caution

A fascinating contest emerging for female athlete of the year: Muhammad, Dina, Naser and KJT can all make a case

**larkim** · 04-10-19, 10:38

Numerically the contest was easily won by KJT, but she simply didn't get to 5 events in through Thiam's injury. In fact, up to the final javelin throw she was competing with Thiam toe to toe and beating her, irrespective of whatever is up with that elbow. Only once Thiam had passed her final throw in the javelin did anything really change in the dynamic of the pressure of the event - and then Kat didn't throw any further!

She could have cruised the 800m if she'd wanted to too, but she just did what she would have done even if Thiam had gone 55m+. 4th on the all time list, British record etc speaks for itself.

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